From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: GPT-4 knows Guile! :) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:42:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1d0e0407-de72-8e63-9e5d-b26097a7ddb1@jamescm.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5VDYF5wDjOEe1U/2" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40887"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: guile-user@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 19 09:43:31 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pdodW-000AT5-R8 for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:43:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdocz-0007x5-Ky; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:42:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdocy-0007wg-7q for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdocv-0002FQ-MQ for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:42:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rZhgeasSyxWkZDRzh3o+Q85FhNsrQMS9em9Z/D7818A=; b=sTkRvEvVjcLSfJ+R3fAQ6yYmn6 NFfC29PXU9HWUnX5JMIWCyvov0Pp6yfYnM+rrtCZ8Bd4G5BiYI3PaIuHuHF2exEMLR66PBrkJlKy1 7stgyfXr/r8LBp6fOubH8hZV2MOqz7D3hxGy9HdJqeR7IQjMRUT77YJYVFs5vhV+t4H0D1lhZ2pQd S9MUAAMm6Tl9hFJ2GADpv2zPN7BinbSBLow9fZJYDASNdV2xkz1GlN/rzYzp0Z/tjysJXvuo35yFA BNiR/81JZzTkG7nMdRpGps3TKR3tzAjYIZcAgdNsfVmQ+cBFTbR1AyVzDlEPicos1N4oV1RExwZs7 iv++/VEw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdocq-0005In-6P for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 09:42:48 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18941 Archived-At: --5VDYF5wDjOEe1U/2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 01:03:33PM +0100, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote: > On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM Mikael Djurfeldt > wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 11:53=E2=80=AFAM James Crake-Merani > > wrote: > > > >> On 18/03/2023 08:29, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> > >> > My take is that such potentially society-shattering technologies > >> > don't belong in the hands of corporations which have no choice > >> > but to maximize their return on investment. But perhaps that's me. > >> > >> Yes, I find it concerning that this technology is owned by OpenAI which > >> is a for profit company. Because, as you say, for profit companies are > >> not necessarily interested in the societal benefits that new technology > >> brings along but rather the profits that can be made off this technolo= gy. I think it's even more evil: the imperative to return on investment leads them to do damage to society whenever there's money in it. The examples of social networks floating hate speech and harmful behaviours, spying and social influencing companies the likes of Cambridge Analytica (now Emerdata), Palantir, the NSO Group (of Pegasus fame, by far not the only in that game, but the one that was in the media). This company [1] sells bot profiles which pose as humans on "social" networks for influence campaigns. Current "AI" is more than good enough to do that. > > One problem with trying to preserve freedom wrt AI is that training on > > large data requires a lot of computational resources. It would be nice = if > > there were some kind of non-profit organization ("FreeAI"?) where people > > who want free AI pool their resources. I guess in this case it can't be > > financed the same way as Wikipedia but there would have to be a > > subscription fee. This is a point, yet there are some projects "out there" trying to "prove" the contrary. ConceptNet [2] is (basically) a language model which has tried to be free (in both senses). For images, there is Stable Diffusion (disclaimer:I don't know much about them). For raw data, there's Common Crawl [3], which is Stable Diffusion's data source. The Stable Diffusion Wikipedia link has some details on the resources that go into such a training. Personally I'd like to see ConceptNet under the umbrella of some foundation (e.g. Wikimedia) So not all is lost. Cheers [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/disinformation-hacking-op= erative-team-jorge-tal-hanan [2] https://conceptnet.io/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Crawl --=20 tom=C3=A1s --5VDYF5wDjOEe1U/2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZBbLAQAKCRAFyCz1etHa RnwsAJ4lY7lHdACpCuPantYlK6scTDE1ywCePAC7NhltbDVRWt577HEE1E4qOTk= =j5Lw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5VDYF5wDjOEe1U/2--