Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Kjetil S. Matheussen]

JonWilson:
>
> It seems that snd has a significant amount of functionality that might
> be generally useful.  Would it be possible for the snd team to spend
> some time factoring out these things?  I know that snd-c and the GL
> bindings have been mentioned here, but I suspect there are other things
> as well?
> Regards,
> Jon
>

I think extracting eval-c from snd should be quite simple.
I'll add that to my mental TODO list. (Reminder: Add
electronic TODO list to TODO list)

Another useful functionality would be the stalin interface,
but that requires a lot more work.

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Kjetil S. Matheussen]

"Jose A. Ortega Ruiz":
>> Hi-
>
>> If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
>> functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it
>> be? (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some
>> Saturdays free.)
>
> Bindings for OpenGL/GLU/GLUT would be great.
>

Snd should have bindings for those:
http://snd.sf.net

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[JonWilson]

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It seems that snd has a significant amount of functionality that might
be generally useful.  Would it be possible for the snd team to spend
some time factoring out these things?  I know that snd-c and the GL
bindings have been mentioned here, but I suspect there are other things
as well?
Regards,
Jon

Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
> 
> "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz":
>>> Hi-
>>
>>> If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
>>> functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it
>>> be? (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some
>>> Saturdays free.)
>>
>> Bindings for OpenGL/GLU/GLUT would be great.
>>
> 
> Snd should have bindings for those:
> http://snd.sf.net
> 
> 
> 

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Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Bill Schottstaedt]

> Would it be possible for the snd team to spend 
> some time factoring out these things?

There's a short answer, and a very long answer that would take me
several hours to compose.  The short one is that two large sections
have been extracted into stand-alone libraries: sndlib and xmlib.
sndlib includes the sound file accessors, audio device handlers,
a package of array processing stuff, and a package of sound
synthesis functions.  xmlib includes bindings for Motif, Xt, X,
Glib, Gdk, Gtk, cairo, and openGL.  These are available at
ccrma's ftp site:

  ftp://ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu/pub/Lisp/sndlib.tar.gz
  ftp://ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu/pub/Lisp/libxm.tar.gz

xen.h has macros to deal with all the changes from Guile 1.3.4
to the present.  I could extract more from Snd, the axis drawing stuff
for example, or the optimizer, but most of the code is specific to editing and
synthesizing sounds. 

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[dsmich]

---- Andre Kuehne <andre.kuehne@gmx.net> wrote: 
> 2) Displaying the signature/parameters of the function around point in the message-line of emacs 
> would be helpful too.

Yes.  There ought to be a way of adding this to gds.  I think we just need some hooks for eldoc-mode, right?

-Dale

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[dsmich]

---- Andre Kuehne <andre.kuehne@gmx.net> wrote: 
> Mike Gran wrote:
> > Hi-
> > If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it be?
> > (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some Saturdays free.)
> > -Mike
> > 
> > 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> 1) I would like to have a sqlite-wrapper for guile. There is a great sqlite chicken egg
> 
>      http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/eggs/3/sqlite3.html
> 
> if this is of any help, but even a simpler interface would be nice.

Hmm.  I have a small wrapper that I have been using in sneek (the #guile channel bot on freende) for years.  It just provides open, close, and exec.

I think it's still at http://users.adelphia.net/~dsmich/guile-sqlite-0.4.tar.gz

-Dale

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Mike Gran]

Julian-
There are a couple of ways to do HTTP client stuff already.
TTN's Guile-WWW will do http GET.  It has the advantage of being very schemey.
Depending on you Guile setup, it may need modification.  Last time I tried to use it some time ago, it back-ported (fore-ported?) easily enough.  IIRC there was some little thing about macros that needed to be simplified to get it to work.  I don't remember exactly.  It doesn't (or perhaps didn't) do POST, though.
Alternately, Guile-GNOME has the Gnome-vfs interface wrapped.  This does some http client stuff.
I think either of these would be enough for simple things.
But in terms of more featureful libraries that could be adapted/wrapped, I rather like libcurl.  Bigloo scheme has bindings for this one.  It does all the LDAP and https stuff.
But then again libcurl doesn't do webdav.
The neon client library does do webdav.
-Mike Gran

What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Mike Gran]

Hi-
If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it be?
(My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some Saturdays free.)
-Mike

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Julian Graham]

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Hi Mike,

I think Guile could really use a Scheme HTTP client implementation (maybe
even as part of the core).  Evan Prodromou did one for 1.4 that kind of
worked, but it's currently listed on the "old projects" list (
http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/old-gnu-guile-projects.html).  I haven't
tried contacting him (Evan, do you read this list?), but it doesn't look
like it's been touched in quite some time.


Regards,
Julian


On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Mike Gran <spk121@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi-
> If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
> functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it be?
> (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some Saturdays
> free.)
> -Mike
>
>
>

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Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Andre Kuehne]

Mike Gran wrote:
> Hi-
> If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it be?
> (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some Saturdays free.)
> -Mike
> 
> 
Hi Mike,

1) I would like to have a sqlite-wrapper for guile. There is a great sqlite chicken egg

     http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/eggs/3/sqlite3.html

if this is of any help, but even a simpler interface would be nice.

2) Displaying the signature/parameters of the function around point in the message-line of emacs 
would be helpful too.

Best wishes
Andre

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Jose A. Ortega Ruiz]

Mike Gran <spk121@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi-

> If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
> functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it
> be? (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some
> Saturdays free.)

Bindings for OpenGL/GLU/GLUT would be great.

jao
-- 
Nature uses as little as possible of anything.
  -Johannes Kepler, astronomer (1571-1630)

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Maciek Godek]

>> Hi-
>
>> If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
>> functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it
>> be? (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some
>> Saturdays free.)
>
> Bindings for OpenGL/GLU/GLUT would be great.

They definitely wouldn't be disturbing. On the other hand, OpenGL is such flat
a library if it comes to structure, that it could be wiser to write a semi
automatic tool for making guile bindings from C headers, i.e. to
transform declarations like

// gl.h
#define GL_BYTE 0x1400
// ...
GLAPI void GLAPIENTRY glVertex3d(GLdouble x, GLdouble y, GLdouble z);

to

// gl-module.c
static SCM glVertex3d_scmwrapped(SCM x, SCM y, SCM z) {
  glVertex3d(scm_to_double(x), scm_to_double(y), scm_to_double(z));
  return SCM_UNSPECIFIED;
}

// ...

void init() {
  scm_c_define_gsubr("glVertex3d", 3, 0, 0, glVertex3d_scmwrapped);
// ...
}

;; gl.scm
(define-module (gl))
(load-extension "gl-module" "init")
(define-public GL_BYTE 0x1400)
; ...
(export glVertex3d)


GL is a great library to start with, for it uses only the embedded C types

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Bill Schottstaedt]

> that it could be wiser to write a semi 
> automatic tool for making guile bindings from C headers

For gl.c in the snd (or libxm) tarball, that's tools/makegl.scm,
using the predigested header info in gldata.scm.  gl.c needs
only xen.[ch], I think, so you could easily extract it from Snd.
There's a similar (but much fancier) script for the Glib/Gdk/Gtk
bindings in xg.c: makexg.scm which uses xgdata.scm. 
snd-gl.scm has a few examples of using openGL in Guile.
I just remembered, you'll also need mus-config.h.

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello!

Mike Gran <spk121@yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi- If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
> functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what would it
> be?

Unicode support in core Guile, FUSE bindings & GNU Hurd file system
library bindings (a unified interface to both could be provided),
reviving DMD ("Daemon managing Daemons", a replacement for `init')
and...  actual integration of Guile in a variety of applications, with
teasers showing how cool it is.  :-)

(Of course, I could think of many other ideas...  ;-))

> (My personal projects are near completion, and I may have some
> Saturdays free.)  -Mike

Great!  So Gano itself is nearing completion?  If so, that's good news.
I'm sure some of your free time could be used maintaining it then.  ;-)

Cheers,
Ludo'.

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Mike Gran]

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> Great!  So Gano itself is nearing completion?  If so,
> that's good news.
> I'm sure some of your free time could be used
> maintaining it then.  ;-)

Ha ha.  My real-world has moved away from ncurses and the console.  So, there will never be a Gano toy editor.  I just intend to finish the wrap and documentaton of ncurses (core, panel, form, menu) and call that the endpoint.

Maintenance shouldn't be a problem, since all my code is always perfectly bug free. :-)

-Mike

Re: What new libraries or functionality does Guile need?

[Thien-Thi Nguyen]

() Mike Gran <spk121@yahoo.com>
() Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:13:04 -0700 (PDT)

   If you could ask someone to write a library or package a set of
   functionality for Guile that it doesn't currently have, what
   would it be?

I would ask for an API-upgrade program.  This program would scan
C source to identify API elements that newer Guile no longer
supports and substitute them with equivalent constructs that newer
Guile does support.  It should be able to operate w/o modifying
the original tree, support an interactive repl for human-override,
and keep a database of the override decisions (w/ annotations).
The database should be exportable and have a published access /
modification protocol.

thi