From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: First look at Guile Std Library available Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:00:28 +0100 Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20040102052128.GA16849@Richard-Todds-Computer.local> <87wu89q8pj.fsf@kanga.tapsellferrier.co.uk> <20040103221857.GA518@Richard-Todds-Computer.local> <20040104035022.GA742@Richard-Todds-Computer.local> <3FF88AD5.6010701@vzavenue.net> Reply-To: ttn@glug.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1073311417 25552 80.91.224.253 (5 Jan 2004 14:03:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-user@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 05 15:03:30 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AdVKM-0006qm-00 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:03:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AdWGD-0007n9-FM for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:03:17 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AdWEb-0006v7-MH for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:01:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AdWDH-0005kv-JC for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:00:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AdW8h-00027f-7u for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:55:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [151.37.58.81] (helo=surf.glug.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AdV8L-0005vT-RF for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:51:06 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by surf.glug.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AdVHQ-00035n-00; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:00:28 +0100 Original-To: Richard Todd In-reply-to: <3FF88AD5.6010701@vzavenue.net> (message from Richard Todd on Sun, 04 Jan 2004 15:51:17 -0600) X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:2527 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.guile.user:2527 From: Richard Todd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 15:51:17 -0600 I don't follow why one-size-fits-all would reduce the immediate usefulness of the libarary for some users. Are you are talking about a user who was already using an interface from another library that I incorporated and changed? Compared to the benefit to new users who would not be faced with several disjoint interfaces, I think this is insignificant (especially since they can keep on using the old lib if they want). i presumed you wanted to build something useful to more than just new users. it seems to me you want to "ask the community" to tell you what to do, but are not clear what comprises "the community", so now i'll ask explicitly: what is your target audience? what assumptions are you making about this audience? these answers will let me know if i am included, so that i can continue discussion or withdraw as appropriate. What do you think of (std ...) => (std2 ...) as a means of letting older code run forever? that depends on what "=>" means precisely. I'm a little disappointed that all the response I've gotten has been about the library concept, and no one has yet appeared to be interested in the code I've put out there to date. personally, i don't care about code as much as interfaces (and their proper care and feeding). bad code under a good interface can be fixed. bad interfaces can also be fixed, but at a higher cost. what is 'useful', 'standard', *OR* 'efficient' about what a guile user has today? [...] There is no comparison [...] well, some wise dude said the first mistake is making comparison, and i've gone very far beyond that first mistake by now (so due to the fog of recent mistakes i can't really remember enough to comment in this way :-)... i admire your enthusiasm nonetheless. thi _______________________________________________ Guile-user mailing list Guile-user@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/guile-user