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From: Nala Ginrut <nalaginrut@gmail.com>
To: Guile User <guile-user@gnu.org>
Cc: basile@starynkevitch.net
Subject: AOT compiler (was: Running Compiled Guile Objects)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 02:21:32 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPjoZodf_oUNu1yZBnj8g9d5+CsEXDprC20fzMaRd1mHXok5FA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <769073d434c2ed5fb7937c85da240aa5df4d854a.camel@starynkevitch.net>

@basile I'm glad you raise this topic, I've played lobgccjit with a toy
project.
https://gitlab.com/hardenedlinux/screaming-fist

I would say libgccjit is a wrong name since it's more like a tool for AOT.
Of course, one may still use it for JIT, however you have to do your own
work for JIT and finally use libgccjit for codegen. 😁

Best regards.


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Basile Starynkevitch <basile@starynkevitch.net>
Date: Sun, Dec 15, 2024, 02:11
Subject: Re: Running Compiled Guile Objects
To: Nala Ginrut <nalaginrut@gmail.com>, Hakan Candar <
hakancandar@protonmail.com>
Cc: guile-user@gnu.org <guile-user@gnu.org>, <jit@gcc.gnu.org>


On Sat, 2024-12-14 at 09:15 +0900, Nala Ginrut wrote:
> Hi Hakan!
> The current Guile is not AOT yet. Although the object file is ELF,
> it's
> just bytecode wrapped ELF header. So you can't run it as a regular
> executable file.
>

Those willing to contribute a proper ahead-of-time compiler to GNU
guile could use the GNU CC libgccjit library which is part of the GCC
compiler.
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/jit/

This libgccjit layer of the GCC compiler is stable and maintained C API
and has some obsolete C++ API (which seems unmaintained in december
2024). Most of the libgccjit code is internally coded (under GPL
license) in C++, but the stable API is for C.

I am using the C API of libgccjit in the RefPerSys open source
inference engine project (GPLv3+ licensed) on
https://github.com/RefPerSys/RefPerSys/

Both libgccjit and GNU lightning (see
https://www.gnu.org/software/lightning/ ...) could be a basis for
adding a genuine compilation layer to GNU guile. And RefPerSys uses
both.

I guess a significant issue would be to use libgccjit (or GNU
lightning) with GUILE's garbage collector (which seems to be Boehm
conservative GC).

The RefPerSys project has a precise garbage collector and some
persistence (to textual files). Since it is GPLv3+ licensed, its code
could be reused in a future GUILE major version. RefPerSys is mostly
coded in C++.

I did contribute to GCC long time ago and hope that RefPerSys could
become a GNU project (but don't know how to make that happen)

Regards from near Paris in France.

-- 
Basile STARYNKEVITCH           <basile@starynkevitch.net>
8 rue de la Faïencerie
92340 Bourg-la-Reine,          France
http://starynkevitch.net/Basile & https://github.com/bstarynk


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-14 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-13 20:34 Running Compiled Guile Objects Hakan Candar via General Guile related discussions
2024-12-14  0:15 ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14  1:14   ` Keith Wright
2024-12-14  2:33     ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14  2:43       ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 13:01         ` Maxime Devos via General Guile related discussions
2024-12-14 14:37           ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 14:53             ` Maxime Devos via General Guile related discussions
2024-12-14 15:20               ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 16:10                 ` Maxime Devos via General Guile related discussions
2024-12-14 16:20                   ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 16:26                     ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 16:31                       ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 16:50                       ` Maxime Devos via General Guile related discussions
2024-12-14 17:03                         ` Nala Ginrut
2024-12-14 17:48                           ` Maxime Devos via General Guile related discussions
2024-12-14 18:17                             ` Nala Ginrut
     [not found]   ` <CAPjoZofH2QuH_ekSk2L=-sUtVTAfEBpsJS0HkXwA_J9y+Wmg0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-14 17:11     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2024-12-14 17:21       ` Nala Ginrut [this message]
     [not found]         ` <49d9827f4455076cc066add3e51f0e882b59e9b7.camel@starynkevitch.net>
     [not found]           ` <CAPjoZoeu++mC+Syd35LjvLJVu6FEcZ=tb5jWdYgS0fZP-OHQiQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CAPjoZoeu++mC+Syd35LjvLJVu6FEcZ=tb5jWdYgS0fZP-OHQiQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15  1:59               ` AOT compiler (was: Running Compiled Guile Objects) Nala Ginrut
     [not found]                 ` <CAPjoZodoBRcw28E5Zjnxb-f_aWG49LjOEDjKQptEH5RnxXsdvw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15  2:08                   ` Nala Ginrut
     [not found]                     ` <CAPjoZof2pmNCQH1EQvJjFmUf+Fwt+qMd8y4daxkZMbCY9Bez+Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15  7:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <86msgxs8d0.fsf-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15  8:07                           ` Nala Ginrut
     [not found]                             ` <CAPjoZoeBSvJrCDkDXgJX27Hr3Y3yAC4-mmMzKsuPnQvGwEjatQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15 10:41                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                 ` <86ed29rzy1.fsf-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15 10:49                                   ` Nala Ginrut
     [not found]                                     ` <CAPjoZoc-8THB4BAPUFR2OayrvnSKhFtyOLWR64-jOfYxaJme2A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15 10:58                                       ` tomas-2s+jgvIlYZ2ELgA04lAiVw
2024-12-15 11:01                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <86bjxdryzg.fsf-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15 11:09                                           ` Nala Ginrut
     [not found]                                             ` <CAPjoZodWGB+QMYABLr5cM_jN2Lpk3Ex-47snPnLBa3-TMZxQYw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15 11:32                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <769073d434c2ed5fb7937c85da240aa5df4d854a.camel-VdE74OAlGqnvXjIo7pOF+l6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-14 23:02         ` Running Compiled Guile Objects David Malcolm
     [not found]           ` <fd04850b1d1b2b5e0c909b5b05d1d6a29a5cbd10.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-14 23:43             ` Maxime Devos
     [not found]               ` <20241215004310.onj82D0091dDhme01nj9u5-Pw8LEBfqDLYI1J5xXzd7/dsHW6RRjAQv@public.gmane.org>
2024-12-15  1:43                 ` David Malcolm
2024-12-14 19:21   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-14 20:12 ` Matt Wette

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