From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Panicz Maciej Godek Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: SLAYER announcement and help request for preparing a GNU package Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 21:36:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2af007e481904dc11d1fc X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367869010 18947 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2013 19:36:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "guile-user@gnu.org" To: Javier Sancho Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 06 21:36:50 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UZRDO-0002QQ-Ab for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 21:36:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZRDN-0007kb-UP for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53295) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZRDC-0007kR-3m for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:36:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZRD9-0007o2-4V for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:36:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.220.172]:56221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZRD8-0007nq-VA for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:36:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id m17so944273vca.31 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 12:36:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/8N1U05PfwUSEhJwaBgzXQmBV5tk886/HBFSnaBXOEc=; b=XKggd61BMCZhqsv4/cIhq2+jnsh3CQ93fK+Q69gcTBDqoRgw6VvNiZ5ADKAYuTGvNt ynqVZ461rkEbhQHP00ScGmXdDzMlpsp0ZwhU8q23+nt8pVRXxq9H3AAWgVuIqBtxRpOQ +4hPr+38LZ97+pkb9OphUtzVT7geYsntE7THKkWHvDjezO+u1QOh7VMbm/rP/8H6heY8 3A5TDne8efw/T9eR6UdPXe0+l/Uv6FOop50WBnw49IorXdZ+PdhTDUbeU3547zuuL8/H UhWiNyT3ny5CAVhTAwLpoHs/lg4SWJ8j5G2UNhj5+rY44AFCMGO0W9W0DKUfuIXcxEp+ BLKg== X-Received: by 10.220.76.129 with SMTP id c1mr7182878vck.48.1367868994109; Mon, 06 May 2013 12:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.220.141.10 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:36:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.220.172 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:10327 Archived-At: --001a11c2af007e481904dc11d1fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2013/5/6 Javier Sancho > Congratulations!! > > I've been working a little on something similar during the last four > years, but I am looking for a kind of fluxus > (http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/) for games. Thanks :) I see that there are a few persons with similar ideas, and I wonder how powerful we'd become if we managed to orchestrate our powers somehow, as TTN suggested > You can see my code at > http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gacela I even managed to build it, but for some reasons the demos won't run. I get the following error: gacela/video.scm:175:2: In procedure init-gl: gacela/video.scm:175:2: In procedure module-lookup: Unbound variable: set-gl-hint It was also a little surprising that I had to copy the guile modules manually, in spite of make install If it comes to code, I see that you have a more polling-style approach for processing input. My desire is to get a system that never stops being reconfigurable -- to truly separate the user interface from program logics. I don't know if it's achievable, but I have a feeling that such direction is worth exploring First versions were developed with GNU Common Lisp and C bindings for > OpenGL and SDL but last year I discovered GNU Guile and Dynamic FFI. > Actually, Gacela is a Guile module which uses Figl > (http://gitorious.org/guile-figl); I am removing dependencies with > SDL. > > But most of my efforts are spent on my eternal search betwwen > simplicity, reusable code, proper functional style, i.e., a lot of > programming design and procrastination. I'm trying to mix FRP > techniques, entity systems, fluxus, yampas and more ideas in a maybe > useless library but a very funny project for me. > All these concepts sound very interesting, but I'm curious whether they are reflected the code somewhere. I, on the other hand, put a lot of trust in Scheme -- I believe that whatever I do, will eventually be able to find a concise representation for that, that will be surrounded by many parentheses ;] and so I'm not so much worried with the design, believing, that I will just be doing, and everything will design itself :) I tryed to port Gacela to the web too, and I developed an uncompleted > Lisp-Javascript translator that uses canvas and SVG for displaying > graphics. Very funny and instructive, too. > :) I have also been thinking about something similar, but I decided to leave that idea for unspecified future that might never come Best regards, M. --001a11c2af007e481904dc11d1fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2013/5/6 Javier Sancho <jsf@jsancho.org>
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Congratulations!!

I've been working a little on something similar during the last four years, but I am looking for a kind of fluxus
(http://www.paw= fal.org/fluxus/) for games.

Thanks= :) I see that there are a few persons with similar ideas, and I wonder how= powerful we'd become if we managed to orchestrate our powers somehow, = as TTN suggested
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You can see my code at
ht= tp://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gacela

I even managed to build it, but for some reasons the demos won'= t run. I get the following error:
gacela/video.scm:175:2: In procedure init-gl:
gac= ela/video.scm:175:2: In procedure module-lookup: Unbound variable: set-gl-h= int

It was also a little surprising that I h= ad to copy the guile modules manually, in spite of make install

If it comes to code, I see that you h= ave a more polling-style approach for processing input. My desire is to get= a system that never stops being reconfigurable -- to truly separate the us= er interface from program logics. I don't know if it's achievable, = but I have a feeling that such direction is worth exploring

First versions were developed with GNU Common Lisp and C bindings for
OpenGL and SDL but last year I discovered GNU Guile and Dynamic FFI.
Actually, Gacela is a Guile module which uses Figl
(http://gitor= ious.org/guile-figl); I am removing dependencies with
SDL.

But most of my efforts are spent on my eternal search betwwen
simplicity, reusable code, proper functional style, i.e., a lot of
programming design and procrastination. I'm trying to mix FRP
techniques, entity systems, fluxus, yampas and more ideas in a maybe
useless library but a very funny project for me.

<= /div>
All these concepts sound very interesting, but I'm curi= ous whether they are reflected the code somewhere. I, on the other hand, pu= t a lot of trust in Scheme -- I believe that whatever I do, will eventually= be able to find a concise representation for that, that will be surrounded= by many parentheses ;] and so I'm not so much worried with the design,= believing, that I will just be doing, and everything will design itself :)=

I tryed to port Gacela to the web too, and I developed an uncompleted
Lisp-Javascript translator that uses canvas and SVG for displaying
graphics. Very funny and instructive, too.

<= div style>:) I have also been thinking about something similar, but I decid= ed to leave that idea for unspecified future that might never come

Best regards,
M.

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