From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Blake Shaw Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Guile Steel: a proposal for a systems lisp Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 09:46:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87v8s6xpnq.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38071"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Guile User To: Christine Lemmer-Webber Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 10 11:47:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oATWo-0009dQ-C7 for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:47:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50764 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oATWm-000461-Na for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 05:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45946) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oATWT-00045t-Oh for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 05:46:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]:36805) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oATWR-0001O8-I3 for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 05:46:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id y8so3161964eda.3 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 02:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sweatshoppe-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=W1SptRVJsIvqoWCWqsYhln+yKyHRiwJriTjHZBfzewM=; b=yRRnecj6JN3LYtMv2JTrelSmcmn/YH/m/H9EwS7QdSynTMwEXndwTEkL4LcX4AVAV0 /YB+stPkn3Gv3qKcU/tuqsj3I+I1EW8bLGnmQy59zHaOD13h1lJSs6P4Q4ptWn0BO0pA 6KwGfB9K7j8/5M+cfiLBcFvZfpphBSSJAsIz268t4QYVa02sNiSVK+cx95UowoQzqrbw 5E35rZG2Pv3i/pdBgHTIOU2wFWSwE04iG1v1AElaDtyWW8ROSybvluSEoDqKefiqFnIP yfWe+cz0KCcj/xfDnngJ7j5XWNhSVsDXBTNoYose/c3bZOgALREqZi+XEfVpwXG+PsJp G90Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=W1SptRVJsIvqoWCWqsYhln+yKyHRiwJriTjHZBfzewM=; b=B3KmllCULbCpLP0TifEupxXDvDtR/XA69Q0JsF8dtJ5UiQNS/2MCdriU22roPfem6g KuveIW+RnW3Zj5YFO5r6xTWE/yCj6XAFJ46aSbaEeNOTtY6FUayaL7U9H3w3TZNea7Ug TfUKOqo9QUq68umyr6TSg0asM9nbNwN4/Z/EPYQebMTYIU+oh+Ci6RxPUpJvGuU1B4Ai 4KbmQ9qCKYRWrFFOBUG0otP6cd2u/ZAlVdVoVb7DeEgEKqJGQfX8ea2rQMHvO2cdKlnU ypDhefTp7s36f01eKd9kH6KgxGKRdr1gezv1dNu3nTs693m4UD8k1Xm7ttzuguIheJwr scpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8Ncw7b40zXJFcIbI0VGmkZ4zrOlY7IhtN1GuJ1GrNDG/2CTMcz rZquFpRfaGDA6PUW8zSKowTKkB/JpGSTkFOHlofYhfqEbpGOnw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1tNAVJ2/Je0URD3SCTdGcy0gj5wc7GA32GI1W0HR/I2TkBl5kzMJp2wJCApU1+Q+53mGCOpanp0TrbEbWR10iM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:438d:b0:43a:ae23:b77e with SMTP id o13-20020a056402438d00b0043aae23b77emr15630944edc.233.1657446396919; Sun, 10 Jul 2022 02:46:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87v8s6xpnq.fsf@dustycloud.org> Received-SPF: none client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52c; envelope-from=blake@sweatshoppe.org; helo=mail-ed1-x52c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18412 Archived-At: The name is gold (well, actually Steel, but...) I love the idea as I'd love to be able to do systems programming in Scheme. I've actually been playing with Loko scheme lately which is really cool and designed for bare metal. There are some really cool things going on there, such as Valand, an experimental wayland-like compositor written purely in Scheme (see the dev branch if you're interested). But its still garbage collected. Another cool example of what maybe counts as a systems lisp/scheme is the xtlang from extempore, designed to allow for the low-level bit fiddling and performance requirements of per-sample DSP. If this initiative takes off I'd like to offer my help however I could contribute :) --- Blake Shaw Director, SWEATSHOPPE sweatshoppe.org --- On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 3:38 PM Christine Lemmer-Webber < cwebber@dustycloud.org> wrote: > > A little blogpost this morning, not actual software, but software > desiderata: > https://dustycloud.org/blog/guile-steel-proposal/ > > I'd love to see something like the above happen. I'd love to help make > it happen. So this is more of a call to arms than anything else. > > Can we have a "systems lisp"? Can we do better than Rust? Let's put > some interesting things on that compiler tower of ours! >