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X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MALFORMED_FREEMAIL=1, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:16736 gmane.comp.gnu.guix.user:10012 Archived-At: Ditto gnucash on windows does include guile 2.2 but it's a major pain point to get it to build. https://code.gnucash.org/logs/2020/07/16.html#T20:20:40 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, 3:24 pm Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide, wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > Sadly, Guile seems to care only about one OS: GNU/Linux, and more or > > less disregard the rest. Features are added that clearly cannot > > easily work on other OSes, let alone non-Posix ones, and with each > > such new feature producing a working MinGW port becomes harder and > > harder, even for experienced hackers. > > This is one of the biggest worries I have with the time I put into > Guile: Many of my friends are still on Windows and in the current state > of Guile I won=E2=80=99t be able to create tools that help them. > > Creating installers for Windows was bad with Python, it is much worse > with Guile. I wish I could just do something like > guild package --target windows -o my-program.exe entry-point.scm > > This prevents people from using Guile for anything that might have to be > cross-platform (though the Lilypond folks got it working > https://lilypond.org/windows.de.html). > > > Please don't bother replying to this rant, it's just FYI, to convey my > > personal recollections and experiences from doing the 2.0.x port, and > > I don't intend to argue about it. > > > > I replied, because I did not intend to argue but rather support your > point. While Guile is easiest to use on GNU Linux, a Windows port is a > hard requirement if we want Guile to be useful as a platform for writing > programs. There is GTK for Windows and it would be nice if we could > actually script it from Guile: > https://www.gtk.org/docs/installations/windows/ > > Best wishes, > Arne > -- > Unpolitisch sein > hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein > ohne es zu merken >