From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: zx spectrumgomas Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wod5qmbc.fsf@netris.org> <87h8461plz.fsf@netris.org> <875zkm1k1j.fsf@netris.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="204762"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: guile-user To: Mark H Weaver Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 18 11:54:44 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOxy-000qzm-Ox for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:54:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37308 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOxx-0003PP-K0 for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49945) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOxI-0003LM-77 for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOxF-0007i0-5M for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:53:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-x52d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::52d]:36439) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLOvS-000730-OO for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:53:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id h2so4100359edn.3 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:52:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=b/33LMx4OYuFs21A4CY5rerJHxyxxHsIh0Bq1fUUQJg=; b=WMeiyZjGI0qMrO6hybPVsi5TvXsE5Hntfojg0MO4DaUT8M65icJdG2QS4DfXeadwxS gTlJrga0NgKh9XxDhMMCXhDRuNLJc9XjT48PZnWix3JN6Ct6Fnhpap6SUikTCi/wx0C2 yF06zULeJRkKw1dqtkrcLD+aBn1xnBZHaGnIzOB5eFyuAzllCwrOmiJN0F+9EkWjrJWU Ll0axSEMpgYHdCf9tEqXOlGUph+vJ4cJqpBH5/zWXJpwdsrTZ6Z0oxMcVlgNm9PfsYwn mlnm4cRAzRUaQbFfcgIcrZx4cQviTeS4xNSFv0AL0WmBbWEwMCNVKAUNbC4Y/I7IkCK7 vflA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=b/33LMx4OYuFs21A4CY5rerJHxyxxHsIh0Bq1fUUQJg=; b=Ej+J65t7bop5BV9gQM1RMidEc8mLADzGUOZKma4QrsAH5Pl9qjGalTpAukSYrn5ccT TWlV5vr7jpIWUvNM9T0io8r/Zocixypkzq3GJbp173YsG3UbjRP6z6HdDrHkx4+FxHy2 b9LZLmFqaw9WNq4ZwNbd+ryXcmvdbTznM8Vr0utOVo2pn3TqxLYYkLBF8Io/fvFFgqpC spftIpQwTLuVtOhW/pR7quf1g6YK9Q3Q4/Ok9fBdZJofn7FowwME/pngT259GQHgCVTX ntgfi7b4rsS2X87Kvww+DSflJx+clS1+0RQmwK3SDk5eKL4VbSXp6xXwODbhoUEcog70 /d0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWkhVdX3NYeBZtdVzorHtDDkzz4N5YNz5+bDsyT0UwzweZ6SYHq va+aMU+/I6U9BAlKvKhzFmz3RuPlvdqTL0nDcfU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz4ktNUeewXIA+H7o+3rA8fMZi4JY0ZXKjzEKa/5pfWSriyukUtXBcb8xV8KTiBHkKfIpslqm60A7eNO4KmleU= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:c70d:: with SMTP id i13mr8591516edq.214.1571392321130; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:52:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <875zkm1k1j.fsf@netris.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::52d X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15762 Archived-At: Yes, it clarifies things. I don't agree with you, but you have a noble heart. I hope you all come to an agreement.Thanks. On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:27 AM Mark H Weaver wrote: > zx spectrumgomas writes: > > > Of your words: =E2=80=9CRMS has not yet appointed me as a co-maintainer= .=E2=80=9D , the > > word =E2=80=9Cyet=E2=80=9D I guess that means if he would have had his = permission then > you > > wouldn't have needed it of the current maintainers, as I also deduce fr= om > > here: > > =E2=80=9CFrankly, it should not be your decision to make.=E2=80=9D > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg00021.html > > Yes, and I stand by that statement. I made my case clearly in the > message cited above. > > That said, I agree that it would have been improper for RMS to appoint > me without first consulting the existing maintainers. In fact, > discussions are currently ongoing with Andy and Ludovic to resolve the > situation, and I'm hopeful that we'll reach a mutually acceptable > resolution. > > Regarding my phrase "In light of recent events", which I cited as the > reason for my decision to return, I should now be clear what I meant by > that: > > GNU is far more fragile than I had supposed. It's like if your mother > has a heart attack, and you suddenly realize that although you've always > taken her presence in your life for granted, her mortality has now > become real to you in a way that it wasn't before. > > I realize now that I took GNU's continued existence and integrity for > granted, like a steady rock that I naively assumed would be there and > stay strong regardless of whether I was a part of it or not. Now I see > that it will depend on all of us who care about software freedom to do > what we can to keep GNU strong. > > I'm not interested in dividing the Guile community. That would > obviously be disastrous. I fully support Andy's work, and I recognize > that he is the main driver in core Guile development. His continued > participation is crucial. Still, we must guard against Guile becoming a > one-man show if it can possibly be avoided. Keeping GNU strong means, > among other things, resolving our differences peacefully and working > together to make Guile better. That's what I intend to do. > > I hope that clarifies things. > > Thanks, > Mark >