From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Cowan Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.scheme.reports.wg1,gmane.lisp.scheme.reports.wg2,gmane.lisp.scheme.chicken,gmane.lisp.scheme.chibi,gmane.lisp.scheme.gambit,gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Tangerine Edition penultimate report: how I voted, how you're voting Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: scheme-reports-wg1@googlegroups.com NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000aa8495057f9c2ca2" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1547683499 19964 195.159.176.226 (17 Jan 2019 00:04:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:04:59 +0000 (UTC) To: scheme-reports-wg1@googlegroups.com, scheme-reports-wg2@googlegroups.com, chicken chicken , chibi-scheme@googlegroups.com, gambit-list@iro.umontreal.ca, guile-user , srfi-160@srfi.schemers.org Original-X-From: scheme-reports-wg1+bncBCGJHDV35ELBBKMO77QQKGQE7QTPNSY@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 17 01:04:54 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: glsrw-scheme-reports-wg1@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-wm1-f62.google.com ([209.85.128.62]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gjvB0-00055y-Ch for glsrw-scheme-reports-wg1@m.gmane.org; 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[2a00:1450:4864:20::341]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x13si3336833wrn.3.2019.01.16.16.07.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::341 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::341; Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x341.google.com with SMTP id y139so3898377wmc.5 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:07:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a1c:8f41:: with SMTP id r62mr9014254wmd.141.1547683624543; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:07:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=yZx13OO2; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::341 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cowan@ccil.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=ccil.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list scheme-reports-wg1@googlegroups.com; contact scheme-reports-wg1+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: scheme-reports-wg1@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 903845884678 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.scheme.reports.wg1:2920 gmane.lisp.scheme.reports.wg2:1037 gmane.lisp.scheme.chicken:21616 gmane.lisp.scheme.chibi:1543 gmane.lisp.scheme.gambit:9013 gmane.lisp.guile.user:15226 Archived-At: --000000000000aa8495057f9c2ca2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sorry, left out the voting link this time: it's http://tinyurl.com/tangerine-ballot for the vote, and http://tinyurl.com/orange-straw-poll for the Orange Edition straw poll (guidance to the editor on what should appear in the next poll). On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 9:27 AM John Cowan wrote: > Well, there are two weeks to go on the Tangerine Edition ballot (cutoff is > 12 noon UTC on Saturday, February 2). So far, 18 people have voted, > including me. For the Red Edition we had 30 voters, so I hope some of you > who haven't voted yet will take an interest and give us your views. > Remember that you don't have to vote on all issues: choosing "No vote" is > equivalent to abstaining, which does not affect the outcome, as votes are > decided by a majority of the votes cast. > > As in the Red Edition, the choice of string library (issue #1) has been > the most controversial. There was no majority vote cast in the Red > Edition, so the issue is being reballoted. Currently, the index-based SRFI > 152, which is meant to be a simple basic string library, holds a majority > position, but only by a single vote. There is a strong minority for the > original SRFI 13, which is a superset (with a few deviations) of 152. SRFI > 130, which is cursor-based, has only a single vote. Three write-in votes > were cast for SRFI 140, which I excluded from Tangerine because it provides > adjustable-length strings. These, like all other features that can't be > implemented (at least minimally) on top of R7RS-small, have been postponed > to the Green Edition. I voted for SRFI 152. > > Issue #4, supplementing the Red Edition's SRFI 127 generators with their > dual, accumulators, is substantially beating the alternatives of status quo > and no library. Issue #6 is about bitwise operations on integers, and the > comprehensive SRFI 151 is dominating the R6RS alternative. The same thing > is happening with fixnums (issue #7) and flonums (issue #8), where SRFIs > 143 and 144, both supersets of R6RS, are getting more support than the R6RS > alternatives. SRFI 160 is a superset of SRFI 4 that provides homogeneous > vectors (issue #10), and it too is winning, though by a lesser margin. > Surprising to me is that for the combinator-based formatting library (issue > #11), the combinator-based SRFI 159 is in a majority position over SRFI 48, > the traditional template-based (as in Common Lisp) alternative. > Essentially all the remaining issues are yes/no/abstain, and yes is > dominant all down the line, though a little less so for ratios (issue #13) > and exact complex numbers (issue #16). I voted with the majority for all > of these except exact complex numbers. > > So what is happening is that people are voting for more rather than less, > as with the Red Edition. This encourages me that I'm going in a sensible > direction with the large language. > > -- > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > It was dreary and wearisome. Cold clammy winter still held sway in this > forsaken country. The only green was the scum of livid weed on the dark > greasy surfaces of the sullen waters. Dead grasses and rotting reeds > loomed > up in the mists like ragged shadows of long-forgotten summers. > --LOTR, "The Passage of the Marshes" > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "scheme-reports-wg1" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to scheme-reports-wg1+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --000000000000aa8495057f9c2ca2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, left out the voting link this time:=C2=A0 it's= =C2=A0htt= p://tinyurl.com/tangerine-ballot=C2=A0for the vote, and=C2=A0http://tinyurl.com= /orange-straw-poll=C2=A0for the Orange Edition straw poll (guidance to = the editor on what should appear in the next poll).

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 9:27 AM John Cowan &l= t;cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
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Well, there are two weeks to go on the Tangerine Edition ballot (c= utoff is 12 noon UTC on Saturday, February 2).=C2=A0 So far, 18 people have= voted, including me.=C2=A0 For the Red Edition we had 30 voters, so I hope= some of you who haven't voted yet will take an interest and give us yo= ur views.=C2=A0 Remember that you don't have to vote on all issues: cho= osing "No vote" is equivalent to abstaining, which does not affec= t the outcome, as votes are decided by a majority of the votes cast.
As in the Red Edition, the choice of string library (issue #1)= has been the most controversial.=C2=A0 There was no majority vote cast in = the Red Edition, so the issue is being reballoted.=C2=A0 Currently, the ind= ex-based SRFI 152, which is meant to be a simple basic string library, hold= s a majority position, but only by a single vote.=C2=A0 There is a strong m= inority for the original SRFI 13, which is a superset (with a few deviation= s) of 152.=C2=A0 SRFI 130, which is cursor-based, has only a single vote.= =C2=A0 Three write-in votes were cast for SRFI 140, which I excluded from T= angerine because it provides adjustable-length strings.=C2=A0 These, like a= ll other features that can't be implemented (at least minimally) on top= of R7RS-small, have been postponed to the Green Edition.=C2=A0 I voted for= SRFI 152.

Issue #4, supplementing the Red Edition= 's SRFI 127 generators with their dual, accumulators, is substantially = beating the alternatives of status quo and no library.=C2=A0 Issue #6 is ab= out bitwise operations on integers, and the comprehensive SRFI 151 is domin= ating the R6RS alternative.=C2=A0 The same thing is happening with fixnums = (issue #7) and flonums (issue #8), where SRFIs 143 and 144, both supersets = of R6RS, are getting more support than the R6RS alternatives. SRFI 160 is a= superset of SRFI 4 that provides homogeneous vectors (issue #10), and it t= oo is winning, though by a lesser margin.=C2=A0 Surprising to me is that fo= r the combinator-based formatting library (issue #11), the combinator-based= SRFI 159 is in a majority position over SRFI 48, the traditional template-= based (as in Common Lisp) alternative.=C2=A0 Essentially all the remaining = issues are yes/no/abstain, and yes is dominant all down the line, though a = little less so for ratios (issue #13) and exact complex numbers (issue #16)= .=C2=A0 I voted with the majority for all of these except exact complex num= bers.

So what is happening is that people are voti= ng for more rather than less, as with the Red Edition.=C2=A0 This encourage= s me that I'm going in a sensible direction with the large language.

--=C2=A0
John Cowan=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= cowan@ccil.org
It was dreary and wearisome.=C2=A0 Cold clammy winter still held swa= y in this
forsaken country.=C2=A0 The only green was the scum of = livid weed on the dark
greasy surfaces of the sullen waters.=C2= =A0 Dead grasses and rotting reeds loomed
up in the mists like ra= gged shadows of long-forgotten summers.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 --LOTR, "The Passage of the Marshes"

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