From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nate Rosenbloom Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: re-writing algorithms in Guile Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 04:09:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <82e31aeb-45ed-56f3-4b7f-8adeb8943c98@posteo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33795"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-user To: Zelphir Kaltstahl Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 29 06:09:30 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ly53x-0008bY-TH for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 06:09:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52106 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ly53w-0007Vr-SF for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 00:09:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40152) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ly53m-0007VP-Ft for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 00:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-x635.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::635]:40842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ly53k-0005AD-Cf for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 00:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x635.google.com with SMTP id o5so8848308ejy.7 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:09:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xf0PqmvsxaJaZiFtEVV4xr8aNgPhtNzy0u31nP/e5Bk=; b=mdGXgu+802I9A89JjLwcJSJV7fiSZHF2Q8mSPahy7NM3pfflGASktL7Yt1FcdnanzI h8VQk3vO30cA+WucIkjPTjhw5zN0sRwRsoL0H8gHRYflFIwilfeysveqPV7KHLWse5QM iVEhmeZ6XSiBjQL2He9DUhHjdc3+oIAHRwwbV7VSFxNeFM+XJTU1oogCJvDe8rL+7IDn 4HfRE5nwDviNEEsqPakuj472dcKm6Oh6s+T6xMz6CwEd22X5sVfV699MSj+FuI5EsgNI WKw0QprMLZw7A81kB5s95mq9o51huKHvrlqpXhuHQnXW+Qxtz5hs3WwMS6DwGuUWtfqN 7Z4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xf0PqmvsxaJaZiFtEVV4xr8aNgPhtNzy0u31nP/e5Bk=; b=KWZVpwPefb0bKjNxBLy6WS7DGYr4Xa5OlUO6HCr3bgjilVfN1iXhTRpGV7oT1IPLvF sAZLWj7b4WCdiDP1nnI54WikGRbsssZlMUNXPhp5umNXtyWYM2Vy2r6R0D9GZmfoeAB+ 8rByFXv26JQplhJApRIbpS3WVbCelkoxQp0KJnsnNbe/OFyxriQlqIuJMixOfPO+MdIq EV+JEtvbJMxTqfEWA0W21iGp4W+nXaYTHBOgIiA2mDwb6MN4bsQ9ClxvOgAXQZ7lNn3y AAUOpJ4HoT+OSPWEp7UL8oGHJVlhqZ92d5DmGj38smN7KsFJZ/M51QiGjsZ4QgkICo40 Y7lQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532LKGDGHhNK2tJdKr/WBWrUKCPzq5nCFrpIElP+ltnkBLAkw5CV LNXTofLNwzrmujjMBwlKi3gT2RQTM7xmY71fLGw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwoTl4F7ss+7VBpAXP5fxK0DUoFUeJkU/g/OBsIdSzfp1SeLP0RrjT4/oEOX88adHnqZ4rXZSWzksIsO9EWdFE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:9419:: with SMTP id q25mr27614741ejx.341.1624939753597; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:09:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <82e31aeb-45ed-56f3-4b7f-8adeb8943c98@posteo.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::635; envelope-from=nate.rosenbloom@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x635.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:17625 Archived-At: Note: Not a Lawyer. But according to this stack exchange thread https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/1798/what-license-options-do-i-have-for-licensing-ported-source-code (and according to my intuitive understanding of the term) porting code to a new language would constitute a derivative work since the algorithm itself stays the same. So you'd need to license the code using whatever provisions the existing code has for derivative works. - Nate On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 9:50 PM Zelphir Kaltstahl < zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de> wrote: > Don't take my words for words of a lawyer: > > /opinion > > I personally think, that something like a general algorithm cannot be > limited > off and away from usage in society. I don't know about the law specifics, > but if > there was a law against rewriting an algorithm, then it would be a quite > stupid > law, as it would only serve to hinder progress of society. > > However, as we all know the law is rarely written by experts. A lot of > stupid > things are in there. It does not always take the good of society into > account > and sometimes is even biased towards protecting the ones in power and with > financial resources. So it could very well be, that this is one of the > cases, > where the law is stupid, or one, where it depends on what kind of day the > judge > has or how well the judge knows software and code. > > Furthermore I think, that rewriting the algorithm into a purely functional > one > is often a significant work on its own and definitely adding enough of > ones own > work to make it a separate thing in total. > > /opinion end > > On 6/28/21 11:38 PM, Tim Meehan wrote: > > Say for instance, I have found an algorithm for scalar function > > minimization on a website, written in C. It is posted with a license for > > use. If I write something based on this hypothetical code, is it then > > clearly also licensed in the same manner? > > > > Granted, I know that this is guile-user and not guile-lawyer, but in many > > cases the transformation from procedural to functional is kind of a > radical > > re-imagining. I usually try to contact the people and ask them directly, > > but was wondering what was the general consensus in cases where the > > original author did not answer? > > -- > repositories: https://notabug.org/ZelphirKaltstahl > > >