From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mikael Djurfeldt Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Ideas for making Guile easier to approach Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:58:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87a6f1mtz3.fsf@nonconstructivism.com> <20220208194657.ed7afe59b80eeb9c7ce880f3@gmail.com> <87o83fdeqz.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87zgmyu6xf.fsf@t14.reltub.ca> Reply-To: mikael@djurfeldt.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12490"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-user To: Leo Butler Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 10 18:55:20 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nIDf5-000358-GV for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:55:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35724 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIDf3-0001S4-U5 for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:55:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58736) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIBr5-0006Jv-GN for guile-user@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:59:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-vs1-f41.google.com ([209.85.217.41]:40691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIBqd-00051y-OY for guile-user@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:59:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-vs1-f41.google.com with SMTP id m24so6919351vsp.7 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/JWXzykMgw6TMBS1LZYtXOD3sKjt5WvYmhkfyfx7W4o=; b=1eOyx5PoQ6twQkluR4VD+C+ET1I0jrw+Vo4XrdwZLrBQqvro1DLP3uuyySurBPRNA7 PNe46VrRjwfMm/jjGaax8ZbELfzPIejcKLaKBtGrxoujdv1P517FuZoAQk+uDj0n4uFi jWrbfxhu7ChNSZl2Hf3SmV3Rjo1NHTV8OW7F+Svs7FU3jV+svLC394UVSXE4kZ2zlvss rCgJ+xrddOQV722X0kUCsNyW+j+0Dxx+YrrqqSoYywm5ggqqVM7EWaeAZC5F/2wBhjI1 iaFYVTnMarGn8jkGDvo1elDLyIzDpCJYP+Lo6fG1+xBX7mHELYje3VTNM3Jc+SFLZ1Fn 22AQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KvXvBQDQhBqvIiWcJRjx7vy17RmAjGBDVB8CZZPM0pLXelIgF JAEZsKA6sOn0UeiS30gsnKg/ALexqPDHkZj0Ic5qnqml X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxOzCkC2Z4YKbfUvmBvrvvYkkY+n02vLg8qC/vsO4ECkn/XYRZh2ToaCN2NTZHsmg9NP+BXvh5YFHn1lnm3ot8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:50a2:: with SMTP id bl34mr2549607vsb.30.1644508743070; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87zgmyu6xf.fsf@t14.reltub.ca> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.217.41; envelope-from=mdjurfeldt@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-f41.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18066 Archived-At: On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:34 PM Leo Butler wrote: > ...eventually resulting in the Emacsification of the entire GNU > system. Indeed, this is the reason for the naming of the many Guile > modules that live in the =E2=80=98ice-9=E2=80=99 namespace, a nod to the = fictional > substance in Kurt Vonnegut=E2=80=99s novel, Cat=E2=80=99s Cradle, capable= of acting as a > seed crystal to crystallize the mass of software. > Right, I'm aware of that. However, it's not a good idea if it works *against* the Emacsification, as it has partially been doing all along. Such naming is simply crazy. To take it to the extreme, what about renaming the + and - operators to +Obama and -Trump, just to give a nod to general reason?