From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mikael Djurfeldt Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: GPT-4 knows Guile! :) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:03:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1d0e0407-de72-8e63-9e5d-b26097a7ddb1@jamescm.co.uk> Reply-To: mikael@djurfeldt.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20625"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-user@gnu.org To: James Crake-Merani Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 13:04:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVIC-000594-Ve for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:04:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVHp-0006nG-RE; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:03:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVHo-0006ml-9k for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:03:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-f44.google.com ([209.85.208.44]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVHm-0002Au-Cb for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-f44.google.com with SMTP id er8so18193575edb.0 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 05:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679141025; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=t1S/nrbp/VFKz7XwtTi6js6Or/Pe8nFEAQ1nK+Q8MUo=; b=a6AhpV1/VuDesSFhYitVHhVIWZ9zMoRZEcugEpnCDo8DNndJUM1xuCEgsEzXnRnYP7 oQ+0oW3Znxh9FS8lKTU9L4ZDjnFbtbw/XVg+waBThWL9GNEqB4i5/6lZAz7hllq5IfNg 5wYPzP2bH5gAdFf+z4INbZPiT+WMy+MldNFS8O6sJ+r4eMdqLSJ1T+5nzLBLtPxpqfSt Uh1DhjCNGmH+yNhdlvsHlK54vyDvJXCvAG+V0Si6QuoC8drVYOKstT5nWUndJG2XY/nv v6//vRpsdjMWAPSdHZwxJBww5JBUYDZTg1pmK7dksKL9gNDScSWvmiR+JaCybCRtn8Qu qAGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXIapwYTLNw2n9JS+zKwC6kGTvHxBWFql9rjRcdAR/XTw7g9zN8 co/yil+skushT+98SdeLuZc+Kb/iowKQVA/h4iE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set96TQOlpU51pF6sQESSQa91A+3QzqhUCZ/IP3Vg0zx0X363llEbGDaKBajJjGWUVnO1X/Lb6H4F23qTtYC/2gU= X-Received: by 2002:a50:d0cd:0:b0:4fc:f0b8:7da0 with SMTP id g13-20020a50d0cd000000b004fcf0b87da0mr3428252edf.1.1679141025025; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 05:03:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.44; envelope-from=mdjurfeldt@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-f44.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18940 Archived-At: On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM Mikael Djurfeldt wrote: > On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 11:53=E2=80=AFAM James Crake-Merani > wrote: > >> On 18/03/2023 08:29, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: >> >> > My take is that such potentially society-shattering technologies >> > don't belong in the hands of corporations which have no choice >> > but to maximize their return on investment. But perhaps that's me. >> >> Yes, I find it concerning that this technology is owned by OpenAI which >> is a for profit company. Because, as you say, for profit companies are >> not necessarily interested in the societal benefits that new technology >> brings along but rather the profits that can be made off this technology= . >> > > One problem with trying to preserve freedom wrt AI is that training on > large data requires a lot of computational resources. It would be nice if > there were some kind of non-profit organization ("FreeAI"?) where people > who want free AI pool their resources. I guess in this case it can't be > financed the same way as Wikipedia but there would have to be a > subscription fee. > The original intention of OpenAI was somewhat in that direction, right? Then came Microsoft... "Free" is not the same thing as "open" and in some cases "open" is "closed"= .