From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mikael Djurfeldt Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: GPT-4 knows Guile! :) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:00:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1d0e0407-de72-8e63-9e5d-b26097a7ddb1@jamescm.co.uk> Reply-To: mikael@djurfeldt.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9419"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-user@gnu.org, Mikael Djurfeldt To: James Crake-Merani Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 13:02:01 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVG4-00029o-Tn for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 13:02:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVFi-0006G1-Tx; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:01:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVFe-0006F7-JO for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:01:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-f54.google.com ([209.85.208.54]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdVFa-0001ej-Q0 for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:01:33 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-f54.google.com with SMTP id w9so29962005edc.3 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 05:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679140889; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=8milz5UcDuJfxjBfy+CPvt8YMtBkqR6JVLCOuhHrlS8=; b=hcQ/92r07j/fjl/ibwcr24IAwXtxZ81qi+zNdBmayLYoRpLE2DgT5yprluEt9s0jHc xKlwCKGrQrTOwrhSZde6rYv1VHTEAXfyUtheLGu7RdCa0rP174jKS4Kyi7Y5GX10jibI Bbhe3MMssOlT3k06/TmEIXsZeo+W7IhXo2gsmBRpWCBLemNQiwzJH0u/vreGzZD/xsna OeNoraC0/bm0Cr21aukRrA/bih/W1I5sPD3ZvGX4bLWNTomu1I8e7jzv/rRxIjJgHbcr KrCXFGrunsWwXXkj+CrYedltCxWI0A84+ND8eJjwnIJrFo61uhsGn4nqw7XmZSbdUZ5d hIZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXpns9zQzFBqxXpb8q84wt8C2Fk3VaiBolCYY8xEVSWyv4N4MYa WipCRMvIomwk784mZ0BJhQBwHwCBwcnU2tnWmh0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+FdAmhCuyn/Hgv7NCk5X+q8rff2172xQVmM3+9JeOBMrUuZ4IGZwncO+QX1oKbuGs1F9U0XahLwSxyMPE9mpA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6d0b:b0:8e5:411d:4d09 with SMTP id m11-20020a1709066d0b00b008e5411d4d09mr1167412ejr.15.1679140888988; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 05:01:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1d0e0407-de72-8e63-9e5d-b26097a7ddb1@jamescm.co.uk> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.208.54; envelope-from=mdjurfeldt@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-f54.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18939 Archived-At: On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 11:53=E2=80=AFAM James Crake-Merani wrote: > On 18/03/2023 08:29, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > My take is that such potentially society-shattering technologies > > don't belong in the hands of corporations which have no choice > > but to maximize their return on investment. But perhaps that's me. > > Yes, I find it concerning that this technology is owned by OpenAI which > is a for profit company. Because, as you say, for profit companies are > not necessarily interested in the societal benefits that new technology > brings along but rather the profits that can be made off this technology. > One problem with trying to preserve freedom wrt AI is that training on large data requires a lot of computational resources. It would be nice if there were some kind of non-profit organization ("FreeAI"?) where people who want free AI pool their resources. I guess in this case it can't be financed the same way as Wikipedia but there would have to be a subscription fee.