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Sun, 7 Aug 2022 08:44:56 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.28; envelope-from=cwebber@dustycloud.org; helo=out4-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18498 Archived-At: Bigloo is cool. I think it falls under the same category of Chicken, which I address towards the end of: https://dustycloud.org/blog/guile-steel-smelting-pot/ "Chicken Scheme compiles to C but doesn't strike me as qualifying for this post's vague definition because it still has the usual memory/dynamic typing overheads of Scheme. But go ahead and read literally everything on more-magic.net anyway because that stuff is great." Same feels like it could be said of Bigloo, but if I'm wrong, lmk :) Damien Mattei writes: > perhaps Bigloo a Scheme that targets C and has many other features can help: > https://www-sop.inria.fr/mimosa/fp/Bigloo/ > Damien > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:38 PM Christine Lemmer-Webber wrote: > > A little blogpost this morning, not actual software, but software > desiderata: > https://dustycloud.org/blog/guile-steel-proposal/ > > I'd love to see something like the above happen. I'd love to help make > it happen. So this is more of a call to arms than anything else. > > Can we have a "systems lisp"? Can we do better than Rust? Let's put > some interesting things on that compiler tower of ours!