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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:16489 Archived-At: Hi Arne, Arne Babenhauserheide writes: > Catonano writes: > >> Overall, I'd say this: >> >> [=E2=80=A6] >> >> There is level 0 of Guile packaging: that's NO packaging. You keep your >> files scattered around and they will be autocompiled >> In the future, there could be a level 2. That is: no m4 anymore !! As fas >> as I undertsand the Autoconf based machinery relies on bash to execute >> tests (is such library available ? Is Guile version >=3D 2.7 ?) > > Autoconf is intended to be bootstrappable with minimal dependencies. > It needs some shell. At some point gash might be a suitable option. Right. This is what autotools brings to the table right? A super minimalist, dependable and portable installation process. Having a fully Guile bootstrap using tools such as gash would be amazing. It shouldn't lose us meaningful portability I suppose, because these tools would work anywhere where Guile works, and we're talking about distributing Guile libraries & applications in the first place! > m4 is just a very simple templating language. Should not be too hard > to implement it in Guile. Again, this has come up in the past. I love the idea of having a Guile way to do the work that m4, autoreconf and automake do =E2=80=94 I think any piecemeal or module work towards this would super valuable. I hope for now, in the absence of those things existing, having Hall provide a kludgy bridge between autotools and Guile might be the best of both worlds=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Alex