From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user,gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel Subject: Re: [bootstrappable] Re: Can Guile be bootstrapped from source without psyntax-pp.scm? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:25:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87wnu51ymh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zgz4cpib.fsf@gnu.org> <6d533331-87f7-414b-7422-276530798194@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18330"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guile-user@gnu.org, bootstrappable@freelists.org To: Michael Schierl Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 17 18:26:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lMZwN-0004cM-Sf for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:26:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50098 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMZwM-0004MW-R9 for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:26:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMZv5-0003c8-LS; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:25:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40049) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMZv5-0001yh-6T; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:25:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=48618 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMZv0-0001Hi-2i; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:25:17 -0400 X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 27 =?utf-8?Q?Vent=C3=B4se?= an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <6d533331-87f7-414b-7422-276530798194@gmx.de> (Michael Schierl's message of "Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:50:07 +0100") X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:17367 gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel:57950 Archived-At: Hi Michael, Michael Schierl skribis: > Am 15.03.2021 um 18:09 schrieb Ludovic Court=C3=A8s: >> Woow, this is great news! I think it would be great towards importing >> it in Guile proper. >> >> To do that, I think we should first get Andy=E2=80=99s opinion on the ap= proach. > > I don't think upstream is very interested in having psyntax-pp.scm > bootstrappable. In Guile 3.0.3 they broke even the `make > ice-9/psyntax-pp.scm.gen` target, and did not repair it even in Guile > 3.0.5, that's why I used 3.0.2 for the bootstrap. But I included a patch > to repair it in 3.0.5 in case you really want to bootstrap that version > (psyntax-pp.scm has not changed there). OTOH, from the git log it seems > like psyntax is currently being overhauled for the next release, so > probably my code would need some updates for the next version. Andy made it clear that it was a bug. There=E2=80=99s an interest in provi= ding a good bootstrapping story for Guile; that=E2=80=99s why there=E2=80=99s an= interpreter written in C, for example. I=E2=80=99m sure we=E2=80=99d be happy to addre= ss psyntax bootstrapping as well! > Also, in the last 15 years I avoided directly contributing to "GNU > projects" (with FSF as copyright holder in the license headers), reasons > below. But if anyone else takes my code and upstreams it, I won't object. Sure, we can discuss the details of how to integrate your code. (Guile incorporates code not initially written for Guile, such as sxml or (ice-9 match), and the policy is to not require copyright assignment for such code.) > Regardless, even when not part of Guile, I believe this code is very > useful for both the live-bootstrap project and Guix to get their Guile > bootstrapped. And even if nobody ever updates it for 3.0.6+, you can > always bootstrap the later versions from an earlier Guile. And maybe a > variation of it lands in GNU Mes, too. Yes, that would be great. We=E2=80=99ll have to take a closer look, but I= =E2=80=99m under the impression that a fruitful approach for Guile would be to have it maintained in-tree; that would immediately benefit all distros. Thanks! Ludo=E2=80=99. PS: Not all GNU packages require copyright assignment. Guix doesn=E2=80=99= t, for instance, and we=E2=80=99d be happy to get your contributions. :-)