From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Can Guile be bootstrapped from source without psyntax-pp.scm? Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 16:55:15 +0200 Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl Message-ID: <87tw2onvos.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d19dr3kx.fsf@gmail.com> <87inj5f2eg.fsf@netris.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499439454 381 195.159.176.226 (7 Jul 2017 14:57:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 14:57:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: guile-user@gnu.org, bootstrappable@freelists.org To: Mark H Weaver Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 16:57:29 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTUhC-0008Bx-8G for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 16:57:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56954 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTUhH-00086i-OE for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:57:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57954) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTUfT-0007Jk-MV for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:55:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTUfS-0001T0-Ou for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:55:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTUf9-0001Fo-Fp; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:55:19 -0400 Original-Received: from peder.onsbrabantnet.nl ([88.159.206.46]:43918 helo=dundal.peder.onsbrabantnet.nl) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dTUf8-00071R-Np; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 10:55:19 -0400 X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl In-Reply-To: <87inj5f2eg.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:42:47 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:13903 Archived-At: Mark H Weaver writes: >> Does this mean Guile is not bootstrappable from source only? > > That's correct. psyntax-pp.scm is not source code, and it is needed to > bootstrap Guile. I'm facing the same problem with Mes. I have an implemenation of syntax-rules that is just about 200 lines of define-macro source code, but not syntax case. The only useful thing I found was Andre van Tonder's syntax-case. I tried to geth it up and running, which just might be a way (it's not clear to me from the documentation or code and it seems to have been a lone effort that was abandoned -- could not find any references or follow-ups) to have syntax-case without psyntax. I gave up for now. > Having said this, I agree that it would be better if psyntax.scm were > written in such a way that it could be bootstrapped without the use of > itself. Maybe some day we'll rewrite it to make it so. That could be essential to our full source bootstrapping efforts so I'm very much interested! Greetings, janneke --=20 Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE http://AvatarAcademy.com