From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel,gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: [bootstrappable] Re: Can Guile be bootstrapped from source without psyntax-pp.scm? Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:57:12 +0100 Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl Message-ID: <87tupdg7nr.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25473"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guile-user@gnu.org, bootstrappable@freelists.org To: Michael Schierl Original-X-From: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 14 15:03:46 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcggd-guix-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lLRLM-0006Uq-Nb for gcggd-guix-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:03:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lLRLL-0002B0-PZ for gcggd-guix-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 10:03:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lLRFF-0003X6-8f; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 09:57:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51995) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lLRFE-0003EY-Sx; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 09:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [2001:980:1b4f:1:42d2:832d:bb59:862] (port=48034 helo=dundal.janneke.lilypond.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lLRFC-0000k7-AP; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 09:57:23 -0400 X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl In-Reply-To: (Michael Schierl's message of "Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:42:05 +0100") X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Guix-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.gnu.guix.devel:57852 gmane.lisp.guile.user:17360 Archived-At: Michael Schierl writes: Hello, > Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote to guile-user@gnu.org[1] on 07 Jul 2017: >> Mark H Weaver writes: >> >>>> Does this mean Guile is not bootstrappable from source only? >>> >>> That's correct. psyntax-pp.scm is not source code, and it is needed to >>> bootstrap Guile. >> >> I'm facing the same problem with Mes. I have an implemenation of >> syntax-rules that is just about 200 lines of define-macro source code, >> but not syntax case. > >>> Having said this, I agree that it would be better if psyntax.scm were >>> written in such a way that it could be bootstrapped without the use of >>> itself. Maybe some day we'll rewrite it to make it so. >> >> That could be essential to our full source bootstrapping efforts so I'm >> very much interested! > > For the record, I have written a psyntax implementation that can be used > by Guile (3.0.2) and does not require an expanded version of itself. Oh, that's amazing! I see that you are using make-syntax-transformer (and others) which GNU Mes does not support yet; it only has define-macro. This may be a good reason/opportunity to work towards better Guile support in Mes. Greetings, Janneke --=20 Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE http://AvatarAcademy.com