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From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>
To: Michael Schierl <schierlm@gmx.de>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, guile-user@gnu.org, bootstrappable@freelists.org
Subject: Re: [bootstrappable] Re: Can Guile be bootstrapped from source without psyntax-pp.scm?
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:57:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tupdg7nr.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fd22b8a3-6089-994c-f22a-33159a91d825@gmx.de> (Michael Schierl's message of "Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:42:05 +0100")

Michael Schierl writes:

Hello,

> Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote to guile-user@gnu.org[1] on 07 Jul 2017:
>> Mark H Weaver writes:
>>
>>>> Does this mean Guile is not bootstrappable from source only?
>>>
>>> That's correct.  psyntax-pp.scm is not source code, and it is needed to
>>> bootstrap Guile.
>>
>> I'm facing the same problem with Mes.  I have an implemenation of
>> syntax-rules that is just about 200 lines of define-macro source code,
>> but not syntax case.
>
>>> Having said this, I agree that it would be better if psyntax.scm were
>>> written in such a way that it could be bootstrapped without the use of
>>> itself.  Maybe some day we'll rewrite it to make it so.
>>
>> That could be essential to our full source bootstrapping efforts so I'm
>> very much interested!
>
> For the record, I have written a psyntax implementation that can be used
> by Guile (3.0.2) and does not require an expanded version of itself.

Oh, that's amazing!  I see that you are using make-syntax-transformer
(and others) which GNU Mes does not support yet; it only has
define-macro.  This may be a good reason/opportunity to work towards
better Guile support in Mes.

Greetings,
Janneke

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-14 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-13 22:42 Can Guile be bootstrapped from source without psyntax-pp.scm? Michael Schierl
2021-03-14 13:57 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen [this message]
2021-03-14 14:18   ` [bootstrappable] " Michael Schierl
2021-03-15 17:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-03-15 19:50   ` Michael Schierl
2021-03-16  8:59     ` Andy Wingo
2021-05-13 20:22       ` Michael Schierl
2021-03-17 17:25     ` Ludovic Courtès

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