From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arne Babenhauserheide Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:51:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87r2347bbv.fsf@web.de> References: <-IsD5PBFie-kW2VJSYNHx00LodtSHflKNWtY2vjNVQDN126iTMsqHrdxl8zeWE8a53TzM_27wskjsrylIh4bN5jIGVNYOBC6zmE3p1RGyBg=@protonmail.com> <87ftjk1us3.fsf@netris.org> <907270af-1f2f-42f3-ec36-047fdd48a74f@posteo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="32881"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.1 To: guile-user@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 22 22:54:40 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iN1Au-0008Qk-6s for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:54:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44582 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iN1As-0002Ri-6U for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iN18S-0002RV-Li for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iN18R-0000Cx-FR for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:52:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:58157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iN18R-0000CN-0v for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:52:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571777521; bh=+/tD8SarPduahFPTWnfimllQJuPswfEgXXTCu0mNqQg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=WYl/KmfWlDtxvqSiK/EN9+eT7NDfgKJ8fDQiNDRc4KE9YULjBM3OIQ+N3pwMCA36t oWn6fz24kE0HvnosyizMFe9RAcKm3UrP4mLhK4hp4YxFwc3fVktpCfW+IzbF/qUtUV 0mN5N1KIFoMN6mt6wsk82brFayeljbWThPlpuXQ4= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from fluss ([80.136.28.233]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0McWno-1ieXz63BXk-00Hb9d; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:52:00 +0200 In-reply-to: <907270af-1f2f-42f3-ec36-047fdd48a74f@posteo.de> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1eH0408Rlu09ac33/+cM+4nCW2dbl+yUSfaEDg4kglraKfTQP+u SmJMLVeth5yhPKA0vMFJZMEBPtWhvXmy2DrcworpJFwymIxBUjO6056Y4OEoRi/9L7lJ4Zp GJ2lSCOgOhKIt5uQl1VEHyJXG4Zb23faGBEYeIgJwGuTXWxsGUabEFGnOCfS8WRlKusH+1l k/zNj8Oec4BromMkvvABQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:+PDYC1XY0ns=:EXcvr9rOWJWcKRKp9NLs9t XVhM5AU8tog9Y1ZKm6qk2nuC7ms55xSIrqhqfcBXCyOCvgMhKXQJNVdMiw1nW6/O41vrxgKoi eMVxJpI+TqYR9n6HuRR/XjHHfQ/TmLEo0vfQ6JLdKqE10U15gZjXkrnf0EV4/ya6OtnKQDgDn AI/tvJCya7ZOgy7CYswDbKURlwX1l7dyXYfzgrvRSaaeFvPfNE2K+FcM+9lgnisxsr8rWB8rF yDjsVChoqRTLPYeovuqGTki1HcP9vz7nttrfoneEDxolSmdrVZJ7l2Ll/w5LPqxg9+M/+Azo9 fj6GdjiWR6vi5kZt3CgOsDW20OxJXgjQJlhYdNBxHs7UFS0eN2xZ5A/+azmsaq8iIAaJJaz5m HlyGwMSEK3v86wkSAiofgRtk8Z7See+xYUbWTfdSgiw2QQQzvaL3xJD/CZ4EqKiGL4P3eu1Sp +NUuai8+FfPVrEm90rEHNdbVt1RMuIRghZ+4+SIkvxf84OIBfNkJCFH4OIkoRH6w071MLZ4zy 8a5Ml932t+0MbdimSiOBkJ4aOaqQi8a/CvbaG7NQvfpz52/Gg2vchq326mVCzGIUvbhJJH2KI tfHm+xElU4gi80/h7JQsCZzZ2SsWW2kKES0ERpJsy5+Z2ycHOAiS1ISfbHgoxIBY29kRz7Sbu gidyazYjIBSE0w3fn37AkmeBDWaq25S9H+4Z9VqpYyByVwUQ3rBC3bgiK2wUMqWSWZZ0v1FWx 4hRiYAUMtwqwprRfmRMo9jW0ojRZ0dyfBVA+BHmCOQBhpDix/ZrqbxX1+F6MLOdWphk49rOL X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.14 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15782 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zelphir Kaltstahl writes: > To verify another person's device, one has to exchange information via a > second trusted channel. That information is a sequence of icons being > shown. If they are the same, that the other person sends you via the > second trusted channel, you can reasonably assume, that the device you > are communicating with is under their control. > > When it comes to the step of exchanging information about what icons are > displayed, most people will close the app and say "it's too > complicated", because they do not understand it ("Huh? How strange! Why > I have to do that? Are icons secure?") or do not want to do anything in > order to have security. They are not willing to invest as much as 5min In Freenet we have the same problem. We once had someone start an app that used tapping phones together to exchange references, but it did not get developed further. It nowadays lives under my account, but I don=E2=80=99t have the time to wo= rk on it (or rather: other things have higher priority for me). https://github.com/ArneBab/Icicle Maybe someone can find a tool there to ease initial setup. Also TOFU is something we desperately need more of. For example I recently had two unrelated people writing to me by email and our communication was encrypted automatically because they used enigmail with autocrypt and pretty-easy-privacy. 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