From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ricardo Wurmus Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2022 15:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: <87pmo013ry.fsf@elephly.net> References: <87iltt846s.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87tudckijp.fsf@gnus.jao.io> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10032"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.6.10; emacs 27.2 Cc: guile-user@gnu.org To: Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 06 15:16:39 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nGiLE-0002Hk-5L for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 15:16:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35856 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGiLC-0008DP-Ax for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 09:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGiJ6-0008CC-9w for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 09:14:24 -0500 Original-Received: from sender4-of-o51.zoho.com ([136.143.188.51]:21168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nGiJ1-0002Oe-LH; Sun, 06 Feb 2022 09:14:23 -0500 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1644156842; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=Ej7hLu/XWDaTNuyKJY3esmWDDS9c4FbRyfw2ehxqn518BshrutXiXs33feqylwpwl2/NJczo0PqT8V4eyioJPdEEQSbz3nuVUQsBaPbStWRT2yGS9AJwzxiaNnXXlna/Ogbm29Pw8tFdKZas2VkV/bltK17SfRzJajIfd5FBqoI= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1644156842; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=5dO8iC28E7aRUhoM2gSYbElqTBa2Ql7fvJHVGc30utk=; b=VtTOZ8kMiaOXBCgGA8fkWy1/Jd93EY5gImoQKwo/KhfDYK+a3FVXTWXM/Rai3Pi4DJfJVfrX9sWuVVrApGD/6KPpckQYvQL3fKe+bAmCb/FWp7VN6vwLFxdCcz2L/iELOZfauSmVQlqZxxVXpXfIVq0dLGwxrKEITXLwFA62TOw= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=elephly.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=rekado@elephly.net; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1644156842; s=zoho; d=elephly.net; i=rekado@elephly.net; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=5dO8iC28E7aRUhoM2gSYbElqTBa2Ql7fvJHVGc30utk=; b=LhaqCjVA+UGmVk/zJkqlMEDUeMDB8S26IX5aj7xJczHjNWrY2aoXtwdnbVNJi8YC rFTnIuS8P7A423wVwMOBGGxJqUWCYwtT3/CMc5mi9Fs4JpO6WaWvwPqccbCTNqb862U 51YiyH619vGAOo4KGC7Wf6S10iCXa4kOmf5gsNQk= Original-Received: from localhost (p508e89a3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.142.137.163]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 16441568373531017.1711701146666; Sun, 6 Feb 2022 06:13:57 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: <87tudckijp.fsf@gnus.jao.io> X-URL: https://elephly.net X-PGP-Key: https://elephly.net/rekado.pubkey X-PGP-Fingerprint: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC X-ZohoMailClient: External Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.143.188.51; envelope-from=rekado@elephly.net; helo=sender4-of-o51.zoho.com X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18008 Archived-At: Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz writes: > But my feeling is that the community > is heavily invested in autotools and Guix as /the/ build system (and > very happily so!) and i don't have the evangelising chops/time :) I don=E2=80=99t think anyone really like to use autotools. When working wi= th just Guile I find autotools to be an annoying complication. I don=E2=80=99t *want* to use autotools and I only use a tiny portion of what it provides; I use it in recognition of the fact that it works on all systems I care about. I we had a simple system that lets people override install locations and provides good defaults I=E2=80=99d throw out autotools in a heartbeat. Guix on the other hand =E2=80=A6 is irreplaceable to me. Not because of ho= w it installs Guile packages (it doesn=E2=80=99t do anything special), but becau= se I don=E2=80=99t need to worry about how any other libraries I might need are provided or linked. Guix makes all the problems with non-Guile stuff disappear, across all supported systems. --=20 Ricardo