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From: ludovic.courtes@laas.fr (Ludovic Courtès)
To: "Bill Schottstaedt" <bil@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Cc: guile-user <guile-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: the future of Guile
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:30:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87odd6o4u8.fsf@laas.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071204144743.M4841@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> (Bill Schottstaedt's message of "Tue\, 4 Dec 2007 06\:50\:19 -0800")

Hi,

"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:

> There are several reasons to have different base and extension
> languages.  The worst is that Guile/Scheme is 10 to 30 times
> slower than the equivalent C code, and in DSP work, that matters.

Of course it matters, but another solution would be to have a faster
Scheme implementation.

> Another is that everyone has his favorite language, and
> by separating the basic stuff out, you can provide any number
> of extension language choices at reasonably small cost (Snd
> can be built with Guile, Gauche, Forth, Ruby, or no extension
> language).

Right, but few applications really do this, probably because it's hard
to provide good integration and good maintenance of all these.

Actually, I'm not arguing against "embeddability", rather stating
that it should not serve as an excuse for not going beyond the mere
"language for extension" approach.  Among Schemers, many care about
writing applications in Scheme, rather than in C.  That people develop
Guile bindings for existing C libraries is an illustration.

Thanks,
Ludovic.


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-04 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-04  6:50 the future of Guile Marco Maggi
2007-12-04  8:48 ` Stephen Compall
2007-12-04 12:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-12-04 14:50   ` Bill Schottstaedt
2007-12-04 15:30     ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2007-12-04 23:00 ` Neil Jerram
2007-12-05 23:11 ` Andy Wingo
2007-12-06 19:48 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
     [not found] <F8.1B.18780.B4965574@avas11>
2007-12-04 15:55 ` the future of guile Daniel Llorens del Río
     [not found] <cmu-lmtpd-7104-1196779864-1@mail-imap2.uio.no>
2007-12-04 18:08 ` the future of Guile Kjetil S. Matheussen
2007-12-04 18:34   ` Kjetil S. Matheussen
2007-12-04 20:06     ` Roland Orre
2007-12-04 20:42       ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-12-04 22:30       ` Kjetil S. Matheussen
     [not found] <34.F3.20110.D6985574@avas19>
2007-12-04 19:54 ` the future of guile Daniel Llorens del Río
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-12-05  9:01 the future of Guile Marco Maggi
2007-12-05 14:19 ` Roland Orre
2007-12-05 20:28 ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-12-05 15:40 Mike Gran
2007-12-05 16:05 ` Julian Graham
2007-12-05 16:18 ` Daniel Ridge
2007-12-05 20:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-12-05 21:02 Marco Maggi
2007-12-05 22:32 Marco Maggi
2007-12-05 22:56 ` Ludovic Courtès
     [not found] <cmu-lmtpd-27643-1196871540-1@mail-imap2.uio.no>
2007-12-06 14:52 ` Kjetil S. Matheussen
2007-12-07  6:28 Marco Maggi
     [not found] <cmu-lmtpd-4316-1197047238-3@mail-imap2.uio.no>
2007-12-07 17:42 ` Kjetil S. Matheussen

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