From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Arne Babenhauserheide Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: How to make GNU Guile more successful Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <87mvcz4x43.fsf@web.de> References: <9386102A-AA6C-4CC1-82EE-7758106A435C@openmailbox.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1488724091 3732 195.159.176.226 (5 Mar 2017 14:28:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 14:28:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 25.1.1 Cc: Alejandro Sanchez , guile-user@gnu.org To: Erik Edrosa Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 05 15:28:06 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ckX8m-0000PZ-DV for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:28:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38970 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ckX8s-0005ac-Ek for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Mar 2017 09:28:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ckX8W-0005ZS-J8 for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Mar 2017 09:27:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ckX8T-0001Z3-Cr for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Mar 2017 09:27:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:50531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ckX8T-0001YJ-0j for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Mar 2017 09:27:45 -0500 Original-Received: from fluss ([85.212.64.127]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lal0y-1c0Rss25VY-00kRYZ; Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:27:42 +0100 In-reply-to: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:zOtWQxOHbg0Q+nZ2t/ALcuNICdDKMQlpaXCWdBCDRKOHcHaEFSX CtTLpoJf567gxbM1Lcd67bZC8s+2KW1zXy590f5QwL/ULEUl+s3Jy4UR/szf5ofo9OkUuxz TKnTs2cU7dybPJ0jiVb1JO/UBE0ksuyax3n3CcXw+t7yj6Pz5c+0K+etVerHmXVTlWUrExw DmsTWadvnkQ5r6o9uHFmg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:kTC8HQd2VEY=:vMuWCViTUgEz/cHDMQncDj L8NkkWVrw1ptVfb3hMqw5B/E0NxN2CmkXawh22HqVNAI2AguiBSSNKKzTwSpO7+kGOMadd/WE +AJFAzEFoHZikU5GX3SUcsodMuYn/wjsGn5LT73wkfRwRU5tX8Ci02mG54oc8Lk9mIPV0Jh+H OMa1WfIiah0i9rcNreZcFgqJOLaabMPEOS+l2bju6Tp7p+OfafzunX9g3UCVhNESrL3arI/ay 2279fBfcUZprGNyGmW7v2PqJhwjTinCoF4rxE4oNI2X9nffwJuTYyVWWfziTbuBYqzAP8zM3V HstmZt2Acro+DLBTUykdk2GdTYIUIsmq0olHGFnpp/GOAFDFC8m0nFwH57GmN5RSX5MFmp5+T M1FSDzrscdnFj3Q5wWgoWhoKryqlrfjNaiIjNeuba4txl+S0dgpxtoa8J4Eizm4IBbrQnejpY GcV/eV6udSaalgMbsbsUYwXVVeHADdZxqQ8v6Od/gRrOlmw/VjsmaC3IY2pwh43+m4MfFxrv6 hbdu24TIhiDQuMrbANc3DOK6RGF7AjFJ5+Q7MNSBMty4R9PwT4usHwVJDnMr9q5Ymelw6X7mt 0DtbbqDc1rr9i5ocS/jCe54tIVEHZtDBRioHVkKo5iPaeRCPlFSoefnjPy+KKaeHE40qBjpeI hNdP/6e50oF/88V7BtpF/+/W5GdJ9hGaKy6/AusTOenklu7XsETBNy2CrhbtyZyOvk6VAmSOl BELUAzOvUc5N5zYHN18Wn1a1NsfKMlgLcNDBPWZYjyxnlTymYixDMFaZzPs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.3 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:13413 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erik Edrosa writes: > I think one issue when you want to compare languages like Python to > Scheme is that these languages are dominated by a single > implementation. I read this argument repeatedly, but it does not apply to C and C++, two of the most widely used languages. Therefore that argument might just interpret too much into a coincidence =E2=80=94 or rather: into a situation which happens in the beginning of language development. Even Java nowadays has several different implementations. > Of course that isn't the only thing needed to make Scheme or Guile more > popular. I believe a programming language needs a somewhat unique and > powerful library or framework From=20what I know, that=E2=80=99s what ruby had: many people wanted to use= rails and after they already knew ruby well, they also used it for other tasks. For Python I=E2=80=99m not sure. Java had that big company behind it, which marketed it as the best choice for companies. > an awesome application to show off the > power of the language, good tooling, and some luck. And zealots, never forget zealots. I=E2=80=99d dare to say that people, who believe that the language or tool is the best thing in existence and give lots of talks about it, are a far too easily underestimated factor in the success of any tool. 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