From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Arne Babenhauserheide Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Dumb Licensing Questions Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:08:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87lgv5bc18.fsf@web.de> References: <1481769661.14047.38.camel@members.fsf.org> <87vaulxaq7.fsf@web.de> <92993b98-1da1-1bcc-ecb4-01deede37183@pelzflorian.de> <20161224080340.GB30358@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1482592136 10542 195.159.176.226 (24 Dec 2016 15:08:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:08:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 Cc: guile-user@gnu.org To: Greg Troxel Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 24 16:08:51 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cKnwH-0001ev-QY for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:08:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43869 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cKnwI-0004nI-Th for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:08:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43399) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cKnvu-0004n0-8n for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:08:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cKnvq-0007tN-V2 for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:08:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:62283) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cKnvq-0007so-L3 for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:08:22 -0500 Original-Received: from fluss ([85.212.121.92]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M6Dve-1cVBwD0mwE-00yAUo; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:08:07 +0100 In-reply-to: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:SjJ858sM0rl0kjPVOPYPGjZUhgTijqU9SpYMtiStfw7Fy+vaAAd /ZBtdTiTrv183CIrw1QiTjS/9HClbKUff9cP967GlZoY0td3+IuXKZsyWzARt81gtQ83BJR lsKoT8ZsPAqP96Q6BlddDT5Zgq7voDD7Pq/0DC+6QfWgdV9pLC8uwJuuFgMVZuqUMZnpBxN GjkAMRJ7RSAKdwoQoOLHQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:M/ApaMD8rpM=:kAREPsv18PlVjylEJFhDuz FmHTNvMt0Yr10f5omdyQFsAg86XiY0B0KdPuruivPeu7Hf81RKKWL3mBEGTMI7IhMOYuppgUK /687vpLkakqKy2gNQHdUhR7fg5yBIGJfNsLLKRJmzXf7yYWrsjJJ+ba8084K4CEpn+voTd3p4 toMOn+GG0NIGDXgPCJbYItQ/W9klP6AXj90xMeznaPWIR4Da4HLcTJh1Cf0CbD+EOPil51coV gZcdJPmD4fXXR5hvfcV6lnpGpSqOwCXutKfbE5BWu5zf2j9I668Qlh3aYpwU0IQTbN7gGcb3z thpynScKy2CMgdrOptl9oMjbLSUQKMWGQ9I9vFouQwrS2i31oy/oTTsZljJ8xWTEAqsVMrBP6 X1c62aPB/2IKZblfse7ew7/GRbCtuJKKDqjT2RbhJyPD4htb0Mc66biGLkSTUikmezlttlcND TM22gazXSUXBPuwIeACE11wObWD5V4Bo3ljVZMNT+DgAQ6kVigGUlU7hwpOrY0G+zpQcxmm3A V7rtkJjz6oOh0j5um8ez9IJXl3pJfgIaLQirduelFI6ZlPqpupU2VQMaOCX2q2Q3HlsrWd/Ka zkVFtnvgQByRU4WhV/B5JDZeoOQlGdD2ZyKHAlFUDPltv1d+jgy0KM1NF5QyKaVOE+CxcKT1n ZApoe8DdW71RidHLwh3eJnMaNjyexcXsnIh0LPAfQdlE3fnc7oekwSjx92bqgYratfi5oNAcR I4grZ/yCql0ifyNQDmQzgIyJgwMNNALuKW7rZTFlidGX6lQ1Bu/G80yA06c= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.4 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:13050 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Troxel writes: > writes: > >> It's clear that there are different standpoints. The linking thing (dyna= mic >> or static) hasn't, AFAIK, tested in court. It's quite possible that diff= erent >> courts reach different conclusions (in the same or different places in t= he >> world). It's even possible (gasp!) that the legal interpretations of thi= ngs >> change over time. >=20=20 > Completely agreed. And, to expand, copyright law doesn't talk about > linking, it talks about things like "derived works", which leads to "if y= ou > do X, is it a derived work". > >> If I were you, I'd just comply with what the FSF proposes, and that is p= retty >> clear [1]. Any reasons not to comply with that? > > A very good point. Stepping back, there is a question of what's legal > and where the line is. But there's another question of what individuals > and the Free Software community think of as good behavior. If someone > writes software and makes it available under a Free License, politenss > at least demands that those who copy/modify/distribute/use the software > respect their wishes about what the license means. Finally there=E2=80=99s the question what=E2=80=99s safe practice. There ar= e three cases: 1. safe ground: you don=E2=80=99t need to worry about legal issues. 2. murky waters: someone might sue you and you might win or lose. 3. clear breach: if you get sued, you lose. Case 1 is "just assume you create a derived work and follow the GPL". Just comply with what the FSF proposes. Case 2 is madness if you don=E2=80=99t have a well-staffed legal team at yo= ur disposal. Case 3 is madness if you aren=E2=80=99t already in organized crime. And mig= ht be madness even then (remember that many criminals got caught over tax fraud. It would be ironic to see branches of the mafia get taken down for breaching the licenses of the tools they distribute, while getting away with murder). 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