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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: Panicz Maciej Godek <godek.maciek@gmail.com>
Cc: guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: libguile thread safety
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:37:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k3eexrc6.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMFYt2Ziymo4eFJgiDGuWOuwVOwb=G_MXKJd=rMu853rA7EP=w@mail.gmail.com> (Panicz Maciej Godek's message of "Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:15:42 +0100")

Panicz Maciej Godek <godek.maciek@gmail.com> writes:

> 2014/1/5 Chris Vine <chris@cvine.freeserve.co.uk>:
>
>> I actually have a prototype working well now, apart from the module
>> issue Mark Weaver referred to, which I have to say has not yet bitten me
>> but no doubt might.
>
> If you are worried about this, you could try to take your own
> precautions and redefine the "use-modules" syntax (or others, like
> "resolve-module", if you are planning to use them) to make sure that
> it is thread safe.
>
> The sole act of redefinition would require you to create a new module like this:
> (define-module (safe-modules)
>   #:use-module (ice-9 format)
>   #:replace ((safe-use-modules . use-modules)))
>
> (define-syntax-rule (safe-use-modules modules ...)
>   (begin
>     (format #t "loading modules ~a... " '(modules ...))
>     (use-modules modules ...)
>     (format #t "done!\n")))
>
> You'd need to replace the the messages with some thread
> synchronization mechanism, to make sure that if one thread calls
> "use-modules", all the others that would try to do that at that time
> would have to wait.

This wouldn't work.  First of all, 'use-modules' is a macro, not a
procedure, but more importantly, modules are autoloaded in many places
deep in the guts of the system.  Notice that Chris' test cases didn't
use 'use-modules' at all.  In fact, a module is autoloaded the first
time 'scm_c_eval_string' is called.  Also, there are potential
deadlocks.

We should just fix the problem properly, and that's what I intend to do.

     Mark



  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-05 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-03 23:34 libguile thread safety Chris Vine
2014-01-04  0:00 ` Ludovic Courtès
2014-01-04 17:19   ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04  0:08 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-01-04  0:22   ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04  0:56     ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-01-04  1:22       ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-01-04  9:39         ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04 21:28           ` Mark H Weaver
2014-01-04  1:59 ` Mark H Weaver
2014-01-04  9:50   ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04 12:44   ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04 15:01     ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-01-04 17:16       ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04 19:37       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-01-04 21:01         ` Chris Vine
2014-01-04 22:43           ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-01-04 23:31             ` Chris Vine
2014-01-05 13:15               ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-01-05 17:37                 ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2014-03-18 10:49                   ` Chris Vine
2014-03-18 15:22                     ` Mark H Weaver
2014-03-18 19:32                       ` Chris Vine

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