From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:47:45 -0400 Message-ID: <87ftjk1us3.fsf@netris.org> References: <-IsD5PBFie-kW2VJSYNHx00LodtSHflKNWtY2vjNVQDN126iTMsqHrdxl8zeWE8a53TzM_27wskjsrylIh4bN5jIGVNYOBC6zmE3p1RGyBg=@protonmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="41120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: guile-user@gnu.org To: Todor =?utf-8?Q?Kondi=C4=87?= Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 22 20:49:45 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMzE0-000AZE-C0 for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:49:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40924 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMzDz-0000Ly-A3 for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:49:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60939) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMzD8-0000Hq-E9 for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMzD7-0002Jy-5X for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:51708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMzD7-0002JL-0A for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:48:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMzD4-00037g-5W; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:48:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <-IsD5PBFie-kW2VJSYNHx00LodtSHflKNWtY2vjNVQDN126iTMsqHrdxl8zeWE8a53TzM_27wskjsrylIh4bN5jIGVNYOBC6zmE3p1RGyBg=@protonmail.com> ("Todor \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Kondi\=C4\=87\=22's\?\= message of "Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:10:45 +0000") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 64.112.178.59 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15780 Archived-At: Hi Todor, Todor Kondi=C4=87 writes: > [...] I've set up my workflows around Guix, git(lab) > and a customised Emacs installation (instead of R Studio). My small > team of science students (majority female, various cultural > backgrounds), never previously exposed to a GNU system to such an > extent, managed to get a handle on it quite impressively. > > But, I doubt any of them would find it natural to take a step further > and participate in GNU itself (ugh, now I sound like a preacher of a > new age religion). To my knowledge, interaction within GNU communities > is still mostly mailing lists and IRC. This _not_ my students' natural > digital habitat. I am probably not saying anything new, though ... You raise an important issue. If we can improve the situation without causing other problems, I think we should. I don't know of any modern replacement for mailing lists that has the properties we need, but I *do* think there's a very promising alternative for live chat: Matrix. Amirouche mentioned it elsewhere in this thread. https://matrix.org/ Matrix is supported by a very large and diverse set of free clients, from modern Web-based interfaces to simple text programs, multiple Emacs-based clients, and several gateways to other protocols such as IRC, so that old-timers can use their preferred IRC client if they prefer. https://matrix.org/clients/ Incidentally, there was recently an internal GNU project discussion about how to better communicate with one another, and Matrix was identified as an option that would meet our requirements. The client that would likely be most attractive for the younger generation is Riot.im: https://about.riot.im/ What do you think? Thanks, Mark