From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user,gmane.comp.gnu.guix.user Subject: Re: No Guile on Windows? (was: My Guile Hacker Handbook) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:22:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87ft9hnzqp.fsf@web.de> References: <3364bc82b7660df3ae8613cdadef8b9dac2fe416.camel@korwin-zmijowski.fr> <83wo2teag4.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5057"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.10; emacs 26.3 Cc: Dmitry Alexandrov , guile-user@gnu.org, help-guix@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 24 09:24:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jys3n-00018z-7m for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:24:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53140 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jys3m-0001fa-3h for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jys2s-0001ew-3i; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:23:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:56607) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jys2q-0005xB-4M; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:23:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1595575378; bh=7Uq6LxpW2eJv17M5V6OUAJoNW+2Q8/fZIrDOa1d1+F0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=TzfsTCQJ9pOQ7IsAvK3rz5X+7cRIBaAnfG5M6vbhD79MWw8o/1qe4NHXHe+z1uUeF dfhB+bj20hv1SO8XpIYys4wsLGXKUyNpaC2+7+ayrM3s1I6h4nF/cUfOlD5lElWn+8 vynBx49rX0tiTlhI21prLwZZ+lorB9xCUIBpwt7Y= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from fluss ([80.136.20.161]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MbQbk-1kHdLi3EwO-00ImzN; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:22:58 +0200 In-reply-to: <83wo2teag4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:OCP19wqCDmD4NKLh4pMy9aIn6j681e4U4w/zZvL79vKWwpHS/V2 ElZv/7QER9luUj8LLw8BFrmUdKwPvzG+zunasMwtGuQsRF72HCpKyPhcgmAqznnib7m54NZ 5v86bs+Q9liaPyo132DKsiWmiKzM8aG3MnKHOtBmiustpRFh2rrB89Ua2ERNWNmrM5XaBKR 1EuzoW8+2s62pyohrx85Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:hzixFPs+yug=:1nAq/rQyaTe3G8Zz8HvL/H 4APXLBxwZ8BC75gRTSUTigDrvZhulxt2sxCWah9tyKuMrLVI6VrA4dqv3Sy1XehR45QmZRI2l niTcsQnQJBAEaQj0SePfeqJgR9rRVUvw6Vp/wSmlsX+JZ4M7CEZFA8MwVy7DddUcdFDrpyVcj DcHXtVupTOPhBB/RsiwiwfWhij8ooxlSimE6HGthGHoQ0Q0MVhMpQnhqyNBimqNSq6qYs5A0M IW6vB1UQWt7PHUD9EMWZYW1otDi0Cc2xlsj3FulP4fFv0SzpZIWA9Bb6HS9afdfGdPykMaUrw 3DLxMjnMObdmeylMP3ySDLaqTBY6WnXsX16TMrSYyxuKRn4IoDYOG9o4oLZPmbCl/4r/6LZVv IC2q+xaWeeMtsFDVgWSPd2QxgN5qOWunibk2AWvbPJK9Nag970fcMZuuNh2GfYhYB7H0sFVla WkqcaccvWWVbTZ1+T117an0TCZ8a7fKkkqKa8+x6Obwh0pysXHMa4/7b3S9qrQputwS0GY4fE QkcIFFguiI+T2w8TdxsvIm3MH52Zrxdal2WEfikCz3VlCtwp91Uz0hn+FGWlO19C9RPp7qVH6 F/YKfZMkN7icVKJvMjHTUoZzMIFBOBuuDt+1gb+tKtmYJ0YQDWDONzahJOK8k6BR0gcuIEaZX z6DNoDO9HXx2q1JfNGFJc8jU/GU/2RIaC6kbfTN1t2lKpjUuWtl0r7EMK9l/9yRUUQyzM91NW Je+JO1wuK0ZN7VHEQAmdvOQ9IoLu66MdmjULPuTYmXEUjy7218nk8XWFTGN5R4PqZwYefmm0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.4; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/24 03:23:00 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:16735 gmane.comp.gnu.guix.user:10011 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Sadly, Guile seems to care only about one OS: GNU/Linux, and more or > less disregard the rest. Features are added that clearly cannot > easily work on other OSes, let alone non-Posix ones, and with each > such new feature producing a working MinGW port becomes harder and > harder, even for experienced hackers. This is one of the biggest worries I have with the time I put into Guile: Many of my friends are still on Windows and in the current state of Guile I won=E2=80=99t be able to create tools that help them. Creating installers for Windows was bad with Python, it is much worse with Guile. I wish I could just do something like guild package --target windows -o my-program.exe entry-point.scm=20 This prevents people from using Guile for anything that might have to be cross-platform (though the Lilypond folks got it working https://lilypond.org/windows.de.html). > Please don't bother replying to this rant, it's just FYI, to convey my > personal recollections and experiences from doing the 2.0.x port, and > I don't intend to argue about it. > I replied, because I did not intend to argue but rather support your point. While Guile is easiest to use on GNU Linux, a Windows port is a hard requirement if we want Guile to be useful as a platform for writing programs. There is GTK for Windows and it would be nice if we could actually script it from Guile: https://www.gtk.org/docs/installations/windows/ Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein ohne es zu merken --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAl8ajFEACgkQE++NRSQD w+usxA/+MBZYH6TyhT2xdnef5w7TPu2MNs6EW8KOC3Smg9LnbQ5LwOwVYEBau9/B nmQ7mXdiQ652KFzJbtOH9HbxS7VWdeO6rLkpGG2cVX0Mw3l6UH3iaAGMCPRoMml/ FhtP9nxPbDXiAIT0DM5CUqLS4Lip8oERoy9lRHxL6gyFHAaiE4Jfz75muFW6INDQ s2Ni57IjxQXSZIDRYyXzhyyb7kMQ5/eB6fyfiYm/7F6hfUqfefkanQFk8/gjNgO+ FFtIU/mgSUYN2tKFZXUXcvcZ9bn7uqoTDrdYFWWmLK8KhWzRVMEku0VJEkiL/jze Zt2PAzvCvmBoPA4A1PW/uJF3T3iw0NKOCNJVK3DsmVzqZuvgAvVhyOgzZBLqmLPl bK26YfKaQxUqxIJEbkP/d/5izlZ7U83/5ScwVjm8GyrP8PT6YxAtKhOXZji/QH9B RdVvMcEjokoLiwSaRyEYuJyIrXAD8WBfOMcrlhcFCK2o7aPLSiijxr/xJJjVAlWz p52DxREsR8Kk66iqAFG8HnvF8wUScAg8Tx5gdMBDFZHpvX5wZglno+QnR49N+a1i ykYRFwrb8IVXwyz2gSj1klsXiqlA5yBBS2PMScvYtawOU2D0eg8SceugD61q6/rJ flQwINosWk23+imJODblFciqd+8lYPOeCUyM6of4wbO8L1iJC/SIswQBAQgAHRYh BN0ovebZh1yrzkqLHdzPDbMLwQVIBQJfGoxRAAoJENzPDbMLwQVIOlsD/0R0E2SH 6oXZMtmyobZDfYRMNVJvlNe9FcVC7szt/aan1nCd1ZPNQJxCTPwVB0QYxJ10m/HE bEaW91MkP2roPDeObxZ+wRDSNWXyBaJWcVD0IvbldZmbsPOGYBtyhGSolhifFOXs /AwQKISkJjyJ+gZANVMQhFal5TR3ok7ROs48 =T770 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--