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From: Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer <taylanbayirli@gmail.com>
To: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Cc: Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@gmail.com>,
	David Thompson <dthompson2@worcester.edu>,
	"guile-user@gnu.org" <guile-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: A couple of questions about goops method parameters
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 18:46:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d2b7e5u3.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ppf7edlw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> (Marko Rauhamaa's message of "Sun, 07 Sep 2014 16:58:51 +0300")

Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> writes:

> It's perfectly fine to avoid errors by generalizing semantics so I
> wouldn't mind if you did what you propose. However, the dynamic type
> system is necessary for the simple fact that you will need to define
> runtime semantics.

Oh, I was rather looking at things from a low-level perspective.  E.g.
the "foo" string in my example was meant as a pointer, whose numeric
value plus 5 resulted in an integer whose underlying byte sequence is
then interpreted as an IEEE double.

In other words I was suggesting that "by default" there are only byte
sequences, and type systems help to work with these conveniently.

> No, the primary objective is not to prevent errors but to have
> well-defined semantics. Scheme, Python, C or Java would function
> perfectly well without any type error checking, static or dynamic. The
> results could be undefined or a burning computer, that doesn't matter.
> What matters is that you know what a well-defined program is supposed
> to do.

I think I understand your viewpoint, and it also makes sense: types
might not be essential to bit-crunching, but they are to abstract models
of computation.

> However, in my extensive practical experience, a static type system,
>
>  [...]

Does that experience cover languages like SML, Ocaml, and Haskell?  (Not
a rhetorical question, though I suspect it doesn't; at least not as much
as languages like C, C++, and Java.)

Taylan



  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-07 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-03  2:05 A couple of questions about goops method parameters Carlos Pita
2014-09-03 15:49 ` Carlos Pita
2014-09-03 16:47   ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-03 18:05     ` Carlos Pita
2014-09-03 16:20 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-05  8:32 ` Nala Ginrut
2014-09-05 12:47   ` Carlos Pita
2014-09-05 19:03   ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-05 19:12     ` David Thompson
2014-09-05 19:35       ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-05 19:55         ` David Thompson
2014-09-05 20:10         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-05 20:50           ` David Thompson
2014-09-07 10:33           ` Neil Jerram
2014-09-07 15:27             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-05 20:10         ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-05 20:18           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-05 20:37             ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-05 20:51               ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-05 21:53                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-05 22:26                   ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-05 20:44           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-05 21:08             ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-05 22:14               ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-06  8:53                 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-06 10:44                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-06 11:27                   ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-06 11:54                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-06 23:46                     ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2014-09-07  0:20                       ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-07 12:57                         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-07 13:58                           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-07 16:46                             ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer [this message]
2014-09-07 19:49                               ` Marko Rauhamaa
2014-09-07 23:13                                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
     [not found]           ` <CAPjoZoc7X7s+keog6avP62yvgJyQ3Ma_jomhw6xQq_rK9jnhVw@mail.gmail.com>
2014-09-06 16:57             ` Nala Ginrut

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