From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Arne Babenhauserheide Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: [ANN] Guile Hall 0.3.0 released Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 07:43:28 +0200 Message-ID: <87d071u7b3.fsf@web.de> References: <87k11bdh0k.fsf@gmail.com> <874ksfd2d0.fsf@gmail.com> <877dxaefr8.fsf@gmail.com> <87lflqtnv8.fsf@web.de> <87wo5acmd6.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="19784"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.4.4; emacs 26.3 Cc: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , guile-user@gnu.org To: alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 18 07:44:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaYZX-000511-FW for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 07:44:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaYZV-0007qh-TT for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 01:44:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaYYm-0007qD-QR for guile-user@gnu.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 01:43:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:52433) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaYYl-0005i6-Ff; Mon, 18 May 2020 01:43:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1589780608; bh=Aoux5zQwp0Xyb5I5LFzizVYSB5qhh3XMtzbHbefDY18=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=DfzcphDMZ/1Wwqb2jUD6KAdcs7GdUJk3Ly0QA3jRlSr4y0jNDPBQrF5qzP7BLwsir YJzI9MQ9hTedefWd7XJmnKSm21FRqqEKJuqBk6LPwN2Pyy1G447a8XImSvcIghJsPj HWqxD9yjPhTPknR/wkM3Yn2VVvTweNRAXFC+dE7A= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from fluss ([80.136.21.15]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MOm0x-1jQU6J3C5H-00Q8of; Mon, 18 May 2020 07:43:28 +0200 In-reply-to: <87wo5acmd6.fsf@gmail.com> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/3e8mvkN1AcW9R8yZrUqnhkZAXDPyN6BQaafkbl8zlvUPEYlV9y E5ij7CF6Cp/hBkD3oVJZDVVBZ7jzcQopaDTzmVLlpYKB7f/MzFcqGR6QXd0l+/zIzKVSx5V deIypKZWBg3IKZsmvk93FbtOxWyGPNzubs0r5y2IpyvNrdMwASJu+layaJb449VkeOocRJQ JX3WCKDLV9VwOKYae51cw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Z4ju/c/rUEM=:NLwxFVWxOAPQeuLxO4yVgF UrxKo/xWeXKnAYHD9z2qxWVbm/cqJ5BUssdcMmiHGH1KMY5D3OLhSuMb+X9UsofbPE9leobJo OAaK+l5grJrnEucbsstg/c7dee7D8imT6aqd2szVkQYz75fw77mEgI91afb4DTRb7gF2GOQVw jECIE1GKjXOM4cY7BVbfbHtgDLep5TtNlw+Bip5DqTa1WX4jyp+U4ZZ+Wex4K1WT5zI29tD36 uOlUKpEByEZLCld7IgvNZgbpa8DnCzJfNc8QwkbzBICp5jliOIkHXtkMqXxyxoNLx+90FXFFa +QVCcysWHc2WXLgQCG2TK86GAIgN63AIWrAyH7QDGyMNfrQZDpjHgizxoaPnN3qwhpmP1dZlq Lhsfw377KiWyYJ8desz2TWG5xYxJsOvlpKc6AYEP5zrFrJ2m59P90du1qOY/EiBfwXibDSRHb SRX9wum8LQ6Mjz0ZtgNbkZQPCwitkNEthDxGul611Rq5StXpTn1MFvuBghz/lNhFjh6mWKwbL UdJ8QFdTD2KbIVgpenrLbf2H+GXqJY0Vkevpf2WkreKb6uEx8xIN9uWg+fUqzCSjbq4DSIY+I 0xF9XnLAA+W9JfEBNKw0bAQcyReSIJThCqaqAwOHk6DZS4cTg/mr0QphHnfv3VbsVINvfFUSx 69YeFm6yqlrF3BTQTk3WVvLkpyuL/NEKk2Q8le28uV/i4eFUkQdhLE6CbgcAT9X0da3Goca+N M0z0C4t2Uom8nFndq9YP5HQvuQstc0lQh9lzqO/fqG1s6JDMN5ptssNQ+6rxAA/8IpY1S0cv Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.3; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/18 01:43:29 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:16492 Archived-At: Alex Sassmannshausen writes: >> m4 is just a very simple templating language. Should not be too hard >> to implement it in Guile. > > Again, this has come up in the past. I love the idea of having a Guile > way to do the work that m4, autoreconf and automake do =E2=80=94 I think = any > piecemeal or module work towards this would super valuable. > > I hope for now, in the absence of those things existing, having Hall > provide a kludgy bridge between autotools and Guile might be the best of > both worlds=E2=80=A6 I have yet to use it (I=E2=80=99m still doing the autotools setup by hand; = but that=E2=80=99s mostly because my Guile tools are mostly wisp so I need cust= om stuff), but yes: having autotools autogenerated is extremely valuable. If you have automated autotools setup - something that just works - it=E2= =80=99s like all those project-setup tools other languages have (Java with Maven, Javascript with npm, Rust with cargo, Go =E2=80=A6), but with the difference that it works everywhere. I have used several different build tools in the past, and once you stray even slightly outside the usual path, autotools (with all its cludginess) still outdoes them all. Sidenote: Does guile hall setup help for Make? =E2=86=92 https://hg.sr.ht/~arnebab/conf/browse/Makefile.am?rev=3D314983dd7= beb661ac931aa33a4937bd7cccd30c1#L26 (shows rule lines with ## comments as help output for commands) Best wishes, Arne --=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein ohne es zu merken