From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: [bootstrappable] Can Guile be bootstrapped from source without psyntax-pp.scm? Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:48:39 -0400 Message-ID: <878tk0fb14.fsf@netris.org> References: <87bmow357w.fsf@ITSx00.pdp10.guru> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499446168 28801 195.159.176.226 (7 Jul 2017 16:49:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 16:49:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: guile-user@gnu.org, bootstrappable@freelists.org To: Jeremiah@pdp10.guru Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 18:49:22 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTWRQ-0006w0-Sy for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 18:49:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57602 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTWRW-0007BU-9e for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:49:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36425) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTWR7-00075I-LR for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:48:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTWR2-0006Vi-RQ for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:48:57 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([50.252.239.5]:44012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dTWR2-0006VZ-Nd for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pool-72-93-34-106.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.93.34.106] helo=jojen) by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dTWR1-00049S-Qq; Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:48:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bmow357w.fsf@ITSx00.pdp10.guru> (Jeremiah@pdp10.guru's message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2017 06:34:59 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 50.252.239.5 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:13905 Archived-At: Jeremiah@pdp10.guru writes: > Well looking at the contents of psyntax-pp.scm > (https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=guile.git;a=blob;f=module/ice-9/psyntax-pp.scm;h=e2ebeced117d4c43ca2eb3ca3a1b659f3fb62d9a;hb=HEAD) > I would argue it counts as source code as it is in a form that is human > readable and modifiable. The GNU licenses define "source code" as "the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it". I think it is quite important for our future liberty that we hold to this definition and not accept a weaker one. > But I am glad that you were concerned about potential non-human readable > sources required in bootstraps :D Yes, this is an area of great concern for me, hence my efforts to mitigate the problem. Thanks, Mark