From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marko Rauhamaa Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Running script from directory with UTF-8 characters Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:18:28 +0200 Message-ID: <877fk5as8r.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <87twnbfkzb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20151222003447.198ea945@bother.homenet> <87io3rffo5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20151222142125.17ba7368@bother.homenet> <87bn9ieaup.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20151222201240.3a66fd94@bother.homenet> <87oadicjbc.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <83wps6p5d2.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1tycgdr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <83vb7pnhnt.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1450898326 14643 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2015 19:18:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-user@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 23 20:18:43 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aBovq-0001Fv-VO for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:18:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57527 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBovq-0007Ll-8t for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:18:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBovi-0007Lg-FU for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:18:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBovh-0001xE-M3 for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:18:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:1bc8:1a0:5384:7a2b:cbff:fe9f:e508] (port=44742 helo=pacujo.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBovg-0001wu-2x; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:18:32 -0500 Original-Received: from elektro.pacujo.net (192.168.1.200) by elektro.pacujo.net; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:18:28 +0200 Original-Received: by elektro.pacujo.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:18:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83vb7pnhnt.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:28:38 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:1bc8:1a0:5384:7a2b:cbff:fe9f:e508 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:12273 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii : >> From: Marko Rauhamaa >> The Linux kernel just doesn't care, and shouldn't. > > Guile is not an OS kernel. Guile is an environment for writing > applications. On the application level, you _should_ care, or else you > won't be able to manipulate file names in meaningful ways. To me, a programming language is a medium of writing programs for an operating system. I don't think a programming language should "shield" me from the OS. Instead, it should make the whole gamut of the OS facilities available to me. >> I'm not saying bytevectors are elegant, but we should not replace >> them with wishful thinking. > > No need for wishful thinking. Study what Emacs does and do something > similar. Why don't you tell me already what emacs does? >> Guile 1.x's and Python 2.x's bytevector/string confusion was actually >> a very happy medium. Neither the OS nor the programming language >> placed any interpretation to the byte sequences. That was left to the >> application. > > And that is wrong. Applications cannot handle that, they need some > heavy help from the infrastructure. That can be managed through support libraries. Marko