From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: How to get started in guile & programming generally Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 01:04:23 +0200 Message-ID: <875zzqjfyg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tvnijriu.fsf@fastmail.com> <5ad744d6fb4f61924bd357b727d01421@hypermove.net> <87mut9uh6x.fsf@fastmail.com> <877ekdlz7e.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <87in3qojos.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0tytrb0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535756588 2948 195.159.176.226 (31 Aug 2018 23:03:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 23:03:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) To: guile-user@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 01 01:03:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvsRT-0000ei-GH for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2018 01:03:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58859 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvsTZ-0002Zf-LL for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:05:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37390) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvsT0-0002ZK-De for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:04:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvsSv-0002o0-En for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:04:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=60656 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvsSv-0002mk-7f for guile-user@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 19:04:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvsQl-0008Gb-Ia for guile-user@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2018 01:02:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 15 Fructidor an 226 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:mWfRpiVsS4KpKenNoxl9Dpyrbp8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:14837 Archived-At: Hello, Jan Nieuwenhuizen skribis: > Thompson, David writes: > > Hi David, > >>> Do you know of real simple hello-world style "games" made with >>> chickadee, say just the bird moving from left to right, respond to arrow >>> press or space bar? >> >> I don't know of anyone that has done that. It's not hard to do, but I >> think using something higher level built on Chickadee would be more >> appropriate for teaching children. Chickadee is high-level in a sense >> because it abstracts away complicated OpenGL things and provides >> useful utilities, but low-level in another sense that it leaves it up >> to the user to assemble all the pieces. "Batteries not included", if >> you will. I'm working on a project called Starling, which is a small >> object-oriented game engine that has the batteries included. I'll >> share more when I'm ready for a 0.1 release. > > Awesome! A couple of years ago I found `Laby' and my daughters liked it > a lot. I contributed a Guile mode. > > They lost interest and I'm looking for something new; chickadee looks > just so grand. Esp. because I'm hoping it could be used as an > introductory thing, but grow into a real-world game. I found that Sly was nice to show things to my children, though it was still too involved for them to understand everything (libfive Studio is of course a different beast but it’s easier to understand, I think.) Ludo’.