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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15761 Archived-At: Hi Mark, Mark H Weaver writes: > zx spectrumgomas writes: > >> Of your words: =E2=80=9CRMS has not yet appointed me as a co-maintainer.= =E2=80=9D , the >> word =E2=80=9Cyet=E2=80=9D I guess that means if he would have had his p= ermission then you >> wouldn't have needed it of the current maintainers, as I also deduce from >> here: >> =E2=80=9CFrankly, it should not be your decision to make.=E2=80=9D >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg00021.html > > Yes, and I stand by that statement. I made my case clearly in the > message cited above. > > That said, I agree that it would have been improper for RMS to appoint > me without first consulting the existing maintainers. In fact, > discussions are currently ongoing with Andy and Ludovic to resolve the > situation, and I'm hopeful that we'll reach a mutually acceptable > resolution. > > Regarding my phrase "In light of recent events", which I cited as the > reason for my decision to return, I should now be clear what I meant by > that: > > GNU is far more fragile than I had supposed. It's like if your mother > has a heart attack, and you suddenly realize that although you've always > taken her presence in your life for granted, her mortality has now > become real to you in a way that it wasn't before. > > I realize now that I took GNU's continued existence and integrity for > granted, like a steady rock that I naively assumed would be there and > stay strong regardless of whether I was a part of it or not. Now I see > that it will depend on all of us who care about software freedom to do > what we can to keep GNU strong. > > I'm not interested in dividing the Guile community. That would > obviously be disastrous. I fully support Andy's work, and I recognize > that he is the main driver in core Guile development. His continued > participation is crucial. Still, we must guard against Guile becoming a > one-man show if it can possibly be avoided. Keeping GNU strong means, > among other things, resolving our differences peacefully and working > together to make Guile better. That's what I intend to do. > > I hope that clarifies things. > > Thanks, > Mark I value your incredibly thoughtful comments, and elaboration of your concerns. I really hope you manage to come to an agreement that works for all of you. Best wishes, Alex