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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Cc: guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Running script from directory with UTF-8 characters
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:33:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83poxxnenn.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877fk5as8r.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> (message from Marko Rauhamaa on Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:18:28 +0200)

> From: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
> Cc: guile-user@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:18:28 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> 
> >> From: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
> >> The Linux kernel just doesn't care, and shouldn't.
> >
> > Guile is not an OS kernel. Guile is an environment for writing
> > applications. On the application level, you _should_ care, or else you
> > won't be able to manipulate file names in meaningful ways.
> 
> To me, a programming language is a medium of writing programs for an
> operating system. I don't think a programming language should "shield"
> me from the OS. Instead, it should make the whole gamut of the OS
> facilities available to me.

I see no contradiction here, as long as you acknowledge that Guile
should be good for more than just OS level stuff.

> >> I'm not saying bytevectors are elegant, but we should not replace
> >> them with wishful thinking.
> >
> > No need for wishful thinking. Study what Emacs does and do something
> > similar.
> 
> Why don't you tell me already what emacs does?

I did, you elided that.  It represents text as superset of UTF-8, and
uses high codepoints above the Unicode space for raw bytes.

> >> Guile 1.x's and Python 2.x's bytevector/string confusion was actually
> >> a very happy medium. Neither the OS nor the programming language
> >> placed any interpretation to the byte sequences. That was left to the
> >> application.
> >
> > And that is wrong. Applications cannot handle that, they need some
> > heavy help from the infrastructure.
> 
> That can be managed through support libraries.

Guile is one huge support library, so it should include that built-in.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-23 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-21 21:09 Running script from directory with UTF-8 characters Vicente Vera
2015-12-21 23:19 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-22  0:34   ` Chris Vine
2015-12-22  1:14     ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-22 14:21       ` Chris Vine
2015-12-22 15:55         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-22 20:12           ` Chris Vine
2015-12-22 20:36             ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-22 20:59               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-22 21:39                 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-23 18:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-23 19:18                     ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-23 19:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-12-23 21:15                         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-23 21:53                         ` David Kastrup
2015-12-23 22:20                           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-23 22:25                             ` David Kastrup
2015-12-24 16:13                   ` Barry Schwartz
2015-12-22 14:32   ` Vicente Vera
2015-12-22 15:56     ` Marko Rauhamaa
2015-12-26  1:57       ` Vicente Vera

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