From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ricardo G. Herdt" Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Curiosity: Microkernel implemented in Guile =?UTF-8?Q?=3F?= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 09:01:21 +0000 Message-ID: <64ad713643b760dd1ee90a1a5bd5d76e@posteo.de> References: <20220623081120.091b84b7.matias_jose_seco@autoproduzioni.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28385"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: guile-user Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 23 11:18:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Iyt-0007AO-K3 for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:18:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Iys-0007ot-6g for guile-user@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:18:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39608) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IiP-0005Sj-6F for guile-user@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:01:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:44113) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IiM-0000ms-UC for guile-user@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:01:28 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AAD224002C for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:01:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1655974882; bh=ZPaISYKk+A5WMq6lz3/xj4wzA1j6QQnqI3NnrrD9SbE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=LTYmFe5eLlYJfINHdfG/MFe7tOX2NDQycu/8TUHVQbjCcMEEfv6Lko237ghzeLCTi W/iIs2xHbu/SAXbClunDNWSARDJanUxwY2wtp+fIep9Jjq5TxBS8Upa4eVCQ7+xjIy P3LLd3O/fpNOfTVunUsJzJJAyy6MZxeCN0p9ec80zuaOe2tKSzNpvREpAx2gWeBbwR pa0eibdDqj7YWmGTIl8CJcZGR1/L0FkebN3AUKqXKofMEQVsMNKjEYyc6nkac6xoQ7 CnnUFaRvz6677yM/lzfbpg14WFf98hU1W0lsituPdQwEfce/0ROZ126Su8/kQAUZvS KC4M213SLP9HQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4LTDkp0vlqz9rxD for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:01:22 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=r.herdt@posteo.de; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:18320 Archived-At: Never tried it myself, but in case you are interested in exploring Scheme for this kind of development, check Loko Scheme, which runs on bare-metal and is developed to be a "platform for application and operating system development": https://scheme.fail/ There is also a #loko channel on libera. Ricardo Am 23.06.2022 08:57 schrieb Mikael Djurfeldt: > To my knowledge, the answer is no. No such attempt has been made. > > The Guile language is essentially Scheme. Scheme lacks various > constraints, > with regard to typing, memory management, etc, needed for it to be > compiled > to predictable and near maximally efficient machine code, something > which > is needed, at least for portions of the code, when implementing a > useful > microkernel. > > In theory, it is possible to extend the language for such purposes, > though. > > An alternative high level language which can be used to implement a > kernel > is Rust. > > Best regards, > Mikael > > Den tors 23 juni 2022 08:12Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli < > matias_jose_seco@autoproduzioni.net> skrev: > >> Good morning Guilers! >> Being a huge fan of Libre Software and Guile powers, i was having a >> big >> curiosity in regards to the kernel languages arena: >> was ever made an attempt to implement a Microkernel from scratch in >> Guile language ? >> Isn't a cool mix the functional approach of Guile and the modular one >> of Microkernel ? (and loads of more features i suppose!) >> >> Feels like a nice recipe for User Empowerment ! >> Just asking as a total beginner on this topic, >> Happy Hacking! >> Matias >> >>