From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Neil Jerram" Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: guile history: your input needed! Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:56:18 +0000 Message-ID: <49dd78620811230256m3ee794d5xfc2cdc04dfdbf30b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49dd78620811201634o5635f191w9de3ce26fc79ec71@mail.gmail.com> <200811222246.mAMMkAeK003681@fcs13.keithdiane.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1227437903 26746 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2008 10:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-user@gnu.org To: "Keith Wright" Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 23 11:59:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L4Cf6-0001BE-3P for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:59:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56456 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L4Cdv-0004DQ-UV for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:56:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L4Cdd-00048R-Ht for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:56:25 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L4CdZ-00046s-9d for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:56:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46138 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L4CdZ-00046l-2V for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:56:21 -0500 Original-Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.248]:23078) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L4CdY-0006eu-ML for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:56:20 -0500 Original-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so1767950rvb.6 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:56:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B8AsPQfk1f6/2UYJrszEs4p5UldjiXouuzUfIOpG+3U=; b=ToFJo486N7WafJ3WgLnLUePjmIQnTSN8++AtS9lzkkeg2LWEUCx9xmiYfj/Xw6pcVJ qA+ujYDy4t4MdRh6yYLFRthcRQEBpbw32DV18uphtdB+itPnoyHGP4Pi//yZqdRfvv2F NNU5MoLZJpUPMxHoylUjhfy9Zw9v51oPkSiiI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jzxds+E7F4W2M0/1x23Mr5ra6i4kJeVWjDvEs++bwlfbvxlnuH/QIgeUZUy+FQURwz s1YG0lUP50FN897TreY9rrt+Y6gIPreo2SbjS4jexXjQmaMtyRiJODHaAQj2h4bCSIEY MxRckUsJgPo3uviHQpNW5ATstd3nTsKTovkU8= Original-Received: by 10.140.194.21 with SMTP id r21mr1279274rvf.87.1227437778177; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:56:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.140.199.14 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:56:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200811222246.mAMMkAeK003681@fcs13.keithdiane.us> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:6963 Archived-At: 2008/11/22 Keith Wright : > > It can't hurt, can it? That is rarely a good enough argument. > What _would_ help us? A better statement of Guile's current purpose. > Whatever happened to tcl? Are you joking here? If not, see gitk. > Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it again > and again repeatedly. Good point. I believe that I personally remember the history (up to a point), but I see now that that's not good enough. > Of course we want somebody who can actually write the truth; > just rumor spreading is of little use. > > A record of what the goals were and why they changed can > be helpful both for getting new people interested, and reminding > veterans what they were fighting for. Yes. Actually I would be interested to see past goal statements too. > I am particularly interested in a short description of the > gh_ interface. At one time it was billed as the new > way to call C, which would be somewhat portable. Then > it was deprecated and removed. What happened? See http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/GH-deprecation.html#GH-deprecation. If you have specific questions, we can try to improve that text. > Several other directions seem to have been pursued for > a while and then abandonded. If nobody remembers why, > then maybe someone will try the same thing again. > Maybe that's a good thing, because a worthy goal > remains to be accomplished. It won't be if it's > forgotten. Maybe it's a bad thing because there were > good reasons for the change, which should not be > forgotten, either. Yes, I agree that this would be useful. > Do you hate change logs? No. And I don't think they're analogous. Regards, Neil