From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:43:26 +0200 Message-ID: <20191023134326.GA11420@tuxteam.de> References: <-IsD5PBFie-kW2VJSYNHx00LodtSHflKNWtY2vjNVQDN126iTMsqHrdxl8zeWE8a53TzM_27wskjsrylIh4bN5jIGVNYOBC6zmE3p1RGyBg=@protonmail.com> <20191023064813.6igo2qi2cwtcz5bz@pelzflorian.localdomain> <20191023113724.bf055453852ec206af8d7bef@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="150837"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: guile-user@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 23 15:45:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iNGww-000d2M-Sp for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:45:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iNGwv-00017o-EC for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 09:45:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iNGvV-00015i-HS for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 09:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iNGvR-0003p7-Vp for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 09:43:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:52293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iNGvJ-0003j0-8Q for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 09:43:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=TDytGhUoOUq/zL531cAePgUiHTXosrfQM1nZPDwnpoo=; b=oheSbbGkyBW1gWNU8S4wnnRC83LaB5U+2rMotjbwC1F7wxHg1ViJ9xI74qDxh2cdy09cE/tG4ON/MCWU72o2STaVzyEVaIGvNPcwmnxvTcKoayw5IE2gJyUxv5STlBjDAsdLseDZeo3BITuhCCnxKWgHyk7vccY1sXFGaUyV8dUqSxh5balyEAIoCRaWIG+lJiBVWA04nXDXbWTnXmMMYzHb/hgLQvlsMZ41WQUIXmmJEBGd25KvK7aU7dH2QoYe9tMz4Dwe+uin79c7i7jGpXnuOJiQD5OhDABoDKxXGvjSsq2X8Jy5n7AVQ9ssuoA4oTBRjXJ4E83oUT6j+P8yuQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iNGv8-0003Cx-Ab for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:43:26 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191023113724.bf055453852ec206af8d7bef@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15794 Archived-At: --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:37:24AM +0100, Chris Vine wrote: > "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" wrote: [...] > > I would prefer eventually having a forum/bulletin board-like Web > > interface to mailing lists in Guile and until then stick to pure > > mailing lists. >=20 > That's pretty much what discourse is - an attractive web interface to > something like mailing lists, with the option to use a mail client > interface as well as the web interface if you want. I've some practical experience with Discourse and... I'd say it's the other way around. Shiny GUI is the paradigm, mail is just a let's-keep-those-old-goofs-happy afterthought. If you're wired around mail, it's not enjoyable. Feels like a second-class citizen to me. This doesn't sound positive, I know -- but I think the "problem" might lie at a deeper level and won't be solvable without deeper analysis (instead of hacking together yet-another-forum). Just watch the regular conflicts between top-posters and top-post phobia on other mailing lists: those tensions are cultural, and can't be addressed "just" by a tool.=20 I'm not dismissing Todor's insighful initial post -- not in the least! Actually I think he's very right. But perhaps we need bridges between cultures and not just between tools. And that takes deep thinking (and people instead of machines, maybe). 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