From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Darrington Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: GNU Guile community in google+ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:57:12 +0100 Message-ID: <20121218085712.GA12775@jocasta.intra> References: <87y5gw2tnd.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355821060 1802 80.91.229.3 (18 Dec 2012 08:57:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ludovic Court?s , guile-user@gnu.org To: zx spectrumgomas Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 18 09:57:52 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tkszh-0005nY-4i for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:57:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55021 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkszT-00009X-K8 for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:57:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkszO-00009M-AE for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:57:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkszM-0003Fi-W1 for guile-user@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:57:26 -0500 Original-Received: from de.cellform.com ([88.217.224.109]:38481 helo=jocasta.intra) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkszK-0003ED-0v; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:57:22 -0500 Original-Received: from jocasta.intra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jocasta.intra (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id qBI8vDJg012804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:57:13 +0100 Original-Received: (from john@localhost) by jocasta.intra (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id qBI8vC5K012803; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:57:12 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 88.217.224.109 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:9774 Archived-At: --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 09:39:31AM +0100, zx spectrumgomas wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Ludovic Court?s wrote: > Hi, > > As others wrote, please don?t advertise this service here. This one= and > similar services are a threat to privacy and freedom of speech, and = in > opposition with what we stand for. > > As you may already know, there are other tools that some of us regul= arly > use: one is this mailing list, another one is IRC. > > If you think these tools aren?t suitable for your workflow, that is > fine. In that case, I urge you to come up with a solution that is n= ot a > threat to the privacy, freedom, and autonomy of our users. ?Buildin= g a > community? should not imply giving up on essential freedoms. > > Thanks in advance, > Ludo?. =20 =20 the phrase "I urge you to come up with a solution that is not a threat to the privacy, freedom, and autonomy of our users." looks very good. The problem is that the real world is full of newbies and they don't know come up with these solutions (Me here). =20 In my opinion the solution is attract attention in social networks, then get do a "gnu-rails" that mentioned here. And then resolve the Planet's issue. As we say in Spain: You can't make a tortilla without breaking eggs. I understand that your opinions are morally more respectable than mine (No irony in this sentence, it is really what I think). (irony #on) But in Spain it is customary to stay acquitted if you confess your sins. =20 It is clear that Guile has a serious problem with communication in social networks, and if someone does not want to see it then it's because his eyes are closed. The English saying uses "cake" instead of "tortilla". =20 Personally, I don't see why a project like Guile needs a presence on any so= cial network. After-all, Guile is a technical project, not a social one. On the other hand, it is part of GNU, a project which aims to address a growing so= cial problem in the world today.=20 I find social networks/forums awkward to use, and a rather inefficient way = to get help on technical matters, but I'm aware that others have different opinion= s. So if that is one of my eggs which has to get broken, in order to help bake th= is=20 particular cake/tortilla then so be it. However, if we have to break not= only eggs, but also destroy the freedom of the people to whom we hope to feed the cake= , then it would be better not to bake it at all. So please start a social net group if you think it helps. But use services= , and systems which respect the goals that GNU and Guile strive for. J' --=20 PGP Public key ID: 1024D/2DE827B3=20 fingerprint =3D 8797 A26D 0854 2EAB 0285 A290 8A67 719C 2DE8 27B3 See http://keys.gnupg.net or any PGP keyserver for public key. --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlDQL+gACgkQimdxnC3oJ7PgTwCfePGUi1N7XcSz/1iamnqa2Rb9 TVkAn04J7yLYrNNpo+5Xko5VtnuBeUJG =bm4K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu--