From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David =?UTF-8?B?U8OpdmVyaW4=?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: SOS: Simple Object System Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:14:22 -0300 Organization: Alto Air Services [http://www.altosw.be/aas/] Message-ID: <20080924191422.7668f754@altosw.be> References: <874p45zanl.fsf@unknownlamer.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222294583 15989 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2008 22:16:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Clinton Ebadi , guile-user@gnu.org To: "Maciek Godek" Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 25 00:17:20 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kicfg-0007jE-1Q for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:17:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47327 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kiced-0005C7-JU for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KicdW-0004xN-JU for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:15:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KicdQ-0004ui-MG for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:15:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46510 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KicdQ-0004ud-HW for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:15:00 -0400 Original-Received: from maximusconfessor.all2all.org ([62.58.108.13]:55645 helo=smtp.all2all.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KicdQ-0001Sz-7j for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:15:00 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.2]) by smtp.all2all.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113879F107; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:14:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.all2all.net ([192.168.0.1]) by localhost (maximusconfessor.all2all.org [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwilqhtyQ8YP; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [201.19.21.252]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.all2all.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1969F10C; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:14:29 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i486-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:6814 Archived-At: Le Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:04:51 +0200, "Maciek Godek" a =C3=A9crit : > Note however that both these languages were invented to address > the particular needs of OOP and as such are well suited for that purpose > (or at least that's what the most people think. CLOS is rarely used > compared to C++ and Java -- can you explain why?) because most people are ... and 'nobody will ever be killed to propose the use of C++ and java ...' people like to conform to others, like your questi= on shows, are you under some kind of industrial pressure ? : who says, in a scientific community, that a system is 'good' because 'most people uses it' ? I personally think that, from a grammar and semantic point of view, CLOS and GOOP are superior, by far, to other OOP systems, as the few responses on th= is list pointed out [but there are a lot more to say and articles to read about this matter] IMHO david