From: Richard Todd <richardt@vzavenue.net>
Cc: guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: First look at Guile Std Library available
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:01:31 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040105200131.GA492@Richard-Todds-Computer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3isjq1ixj.fsf@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 09:03:52AM -0700, Robert Uhl wrote:
> Richard Todd <richardt@vzavenue.net> writes:
> >
> > Then, (I was hoping only once every few years), you have to say
> > "Enough!" and break with the past.
>
> I'm not certain about that--after all, libc has stayed pretty much the
> same for decades. Heck, we still have gets(), for the truly perverse.
The basis of the proposal was that you'd still have whatever schemely
'gets' we were living with, but it would stay in (std xxx). We would
be encouraging the new development to move to (std2 xxx). The C
language doesn't have a similar mechanism to make such a clean break.
We're also presuming there's sufficient legacy code to save that it is
worth saving. In a few years, when std2 may become desireable, we can
look around. If there is still very little guile use, we may just say
to ourselves, "why bother?" and make the incompatible cleanups.
At the other end of the spectrum, where we have grown to C-like
popularity, then we will certainly care a lot more about compatibility
than fixing a few warts.
I'm hoping it ends up in-between, where we care enough to leave
(std ...) behind. Maybe indefinitely. Maybe for a couple years, so
people can upgrade old code. Who knows? I don't want to argue about
a hypothetical library cleanup for a library that doesn't exist yet.
I would like to put some effort into producing that library.
(also, lets look at our peers. Python (to take one example) has changed
its libraries over time, and I hear very few complaints. It certainly
hasn't hurt its popularity)
Richard Todd
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Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-01-02 5:21 First look at Guile Std Library available Richard Todd
2004-01-02 9:29 ` Dale Mellor
2004-01-03 1:03 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-03 2:25 ` Andreas Rottmann
2004-01-03 15:00 ` Dale Mellor
2004-01-03 14:36 ` Dale Mellor
2004-01-03 22:42 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-03 16:38 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-01-03 16:48 ` Nic Ferrier
2004-01-03 22:18 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-04 1:49 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-01-04 3:50 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-04 12:59 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
[not found] ` <16376.5782.10995.206284@l.a>
2004-01-04 14:17 ` Dale Mellor
2004-01-04 21:51 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-05 0:30 ` Andreas Rottmann
2004-01-05 5:00 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-05 16:03 ` Robert Uhl
2004-01-05 20:01 ` Richard Todd [this message]
2004-01-06 1:36 ` Robert Uhl
2004-01-06 18:41 ` number->string radix patch (Was Re: First look at Guile Std Library available) Richard Todd
2004-01-07 4:04 ` Robert Uhl
2004-01-07 5:26 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-07 20:54 ` Robert Uhl
2004-01-08 7:11 ` I get unknown immediate error in guile 1.7 Roland Orre
2004-01-08 17:14 ` Roland Orre
2004-01-10 20:17 ` Kevin Ryde
2004-05-10 20:34 ` number->string radix patch Marius Vollmer
2004-05-11 3:16 ` Richard Todd
2004-05-11 3:51 ` Keith Wright
2004-05-27 21:56 ` Kevin Ryde
2004-06-10 16:35 ` Marius Vollmer
2004-06-10 16:34 ` Marius Vollmer
2004-05-11 5:23 ` Richard Todd
2004-05-27 21:54 ` Kevin Ryde
2004-06-10 16:47 ` Marius Vollmer
2004-06-11 1:40 ` Kevin Ryde
2004-01-05 10:08 ` First look at Guile Std Library available Dale Mellor
2004-01-05 3:39 ` Paul Jarc
2004-01-05 4:28 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-05 5:19 ` Paul Jarc
2004-01-06 22:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2004-01-06 23:53 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-16 20:17 ` Andy Wingo
2004-01-05 14:00 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-01-05 20:32 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-05 20:59 ` Dale P. Smith
2004-01-06 16:54 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-01-06 20:32 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-03 18:19 ` Clinton Ebadi
2004-01-03 20:12 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-01-04 2:02 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-06 20:42 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-06 21:20 ` Paul Jarc
2004-01-03 22:52 ` Richard Todd
2004-01-04 1:53 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-01-04 20:34 ` Arno Peters
2004-01-05 20:12 ` Richard Todd
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