From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nala Ginrut Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Popularity (was Re: SLAYER announcement ...) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 11:25:01 +0800 Organization: HFG Message-ID: <1367810701.3076.5.camel@Renee-desktop.suse> References: <20130505051554.GA2558@intra> <87zjw9p8jy.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <1367782954.57806.YahooMailNeo@web120405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367810723 18790 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2013 03:25:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 03:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thien-Thi Nguyen , "guile-user@gnu.org" To: Mike Gran Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 06 05:25:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UZC3F-0007Il-1N for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 05:25:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53748 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZC3E-0007QC-FL for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 23:25:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56559) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZC35-0007Pp-7O for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 23:25:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZC34-0006vZ-8S for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 23:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com ([209.85.192.171]:55234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZC30-0006sf-U7; Sun, 05 May 2013 23:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id r11so1783781pdi.30 for ; Sun, 05 May 2013 20:25:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to :references:organization:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4X1S+M/lRa1BDVMOiynxSYX+2qpaAQqOLtVQFdQebkI=; b=FZjRTOtpk9MgtSe1+kWt0f7MgSRWtYTbFI/QlwXl4zqGVao4rPYxii2/KC959KUCJF 6Tejy8NRBeC6Nxbu/C6slG2gUwUn8RghxrP+/OuWjTGFmSfPnjTg4O/JZU9yRGb7jD4B 16mCLGGArguPS0qIfQi4XJudr7VBrBfDFXY/mX9ser2yFDyiNrXGApPkt7cXbKRYBZdN izs/cwSdMryXbodUybn53ME4okFeN3WCST/hHiSLo0FPggT1sG6otI8pniX4f0VjVNL4 eFLSiCl8BER/W0KaxKLOhRtoGSBxl4XDZJG5caV3niudhTl+qXuNL31CdkZc8EhA0bJ4 j2Bg== X-Received: by 10.68.233.3 with SMTP id ts3mr24320809pbc.153.1367810704914; Sun, 05 May 2013 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [147.2.147.115] ([61.14.130.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm21935914pba.32.2013.05.05.20.25.02 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 May 2013 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1367782954.57806.YahooMailNeo@web120405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.4 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.192.171 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:10321 Archived-At: On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 12:42 -0700, Mike Gran wrote: > > From: Thien-Thi Nguyen > > > As Guile-SDL maintainer, i wonder what i can do to attract the same > > audience, whether or not it is worth expending the energy to do so, in > > what ways have i failed to encourage organic additive (as opposed to > > parallel) hacking, and how wonderful/terrible it is for GNU to be so > > loosely coupled. > > Working on a library or framework is always a thankless task, since > so few programmers want to use the unproven. Gtk would not be where > it is if it weren't for the co-development of Gimp, an end-user > program. > > Getting someone to try an end-user program is easier than getting > a programmer to try out a library. But that is difficult as well. > Since every essential end-user program has been written -- all new > work just re-mixes the old ideas in either shinier or deeper ways -- > few people are in "need" of new software. > > But there is always space for new diversions: there still seems to > be a market for something short, easy to run, and entertaining. > The Flash or HTML5 games model, essentially. > > One might consider writing an end-user program first, > and then note how it is built upon libraries that can > easily be reused. > > (And speaking of libraries that will never be used... guile-ncurses > v1.4 dropped last week. That'll never have any users because the > intersection in that Venn diagram is too small, consisting mostly of > me. So, I write it for myself. Maybe I should follow my own > advice above.) > No Mike, I use guile-ncurses for a little thing to peek stock market. ;-P And TTN, your work is nice. We just don't have a web community yet, so many folks and projects are unrevealed. > -Mike >