From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Gran Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Popularity (was Re: SLAYER announcement ...) 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Sun, 05 May 2013 12:42:34 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, PiBGcm9tOiBUaGllbi1UaGkgTmd1eWVuIDx0dG5AZ251Lm9yZz4KCj4gQXMgR3VpbGUtU0RMIG1haW50YWluZXIsIGkgd29uZGVyIHdoYXQgaSBjYW4gZG8gdG8gYXR0cmFjdCB0aGUgc2FtZQo.IGF1ZGllbmNlLCB3aGV0aGVyIG9yIG5vdCBpdCBpcyB3b3J0aCBleHBlbmRpbmcgdGhlIGVuZXJneSB0byBkbyBzbywgaW4KPiB3aGF0IHdheXMgaGF2ZSBpIGZhaWxlZCB0byBlbmNvdXJhZ2Ugb3JnYW5pYyBhZGRpdGl2ZSAoYXMgb3Bwb3NlZCB0bwo.IHBhcmFsbGVsKSBoYWNraW5nLCBhbmQgaG93IHdvbmRlcmYBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.141.536 In-Reply-To: <87zjw9p8jy.fsf@zigzag.favinet> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x X-Received-From: 98.138.91.159 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:10317 Archived-At: > From: Thien-Thi Nguyen =0A=0A> As Guile-SDL maintainer, i wo= nder what i can do to attract the same=0A> audience, whether or not it is w= orth expending the energy to do so, in=0A> what ways have i failed to encou= rage organic additive (as opposed to=0A> parallel) hacking, and how wonderf= ul/terrible it is for GNU to be so=0A> loosely coupled.=0A=0AWorking on a l= ibrary or framework is always a thankless task, since=0Aso few programmers = want to use the unproven.=A0 Gtk would not be where=0Ait is if it weren't f= or the co-development of Gimp, an end-user=0Aprogram.=0A=0AGetting someone = to try an end-user program is easier than getting=0Aa programmer to try out= a library.=A0 But that is difficult as well.=0ASince every essential end-u= ser program has been written -- all new=0Awork just re-mixes the old ideas = in either shinier or deeper ways --=0Afew people are in "need" of new softw= are.=0A=0ABut there is always space for new diversions: there still seems t= o=0Abe a market for something short, easy to run, and entertaining.=0AThe F= lash or HTML5 games model, essentially.=0A=0AOne might consider writing an = end-user program first,=0Aand then note how it is built upon libraries that= can=0Aeasily be reused.=0A=0A(And speaking of libraries that will never be= used... guile-ncurses=0Av1.4 dropped last week.=A0 That'll never have any = users because the=0Aintersection in that Venn diagram is too small, consist= ing mostly of=0Ame.=A0 So, I write it for myself.=A0 Maybe I should follow = my own=0Aadvice above.)=0A=0A-Mike