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Thu, 28 Sep 2023 12:02:26 +0000 In-Reply-To: <ZRUpN7O/Dzclkfm1@tuxteam.de> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21797 YMailNorrin Received-SPF: pass client-ip=74.6.132.40; envelope-from=spk121@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions <guile-user.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/guile-user>, <mailto:guile-user-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user> List-Post: <mailto:guile-user@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:guile-user-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/guile-user>, <mailto:guile-user-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.user:19201 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.guile.user/19201> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:20:58 AM PDT, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrot= e:=20 > On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 03:07:10PM -0400, Christine Lemmer-Webber wrote: >> There's a long thread on guix-devel which is related and touches on many >> things, but I thought I'd narrow in on this one thing. >>=20 >> Has anyone had a "good" experience programming with Guile without using >> Emacs?=C2=A0 If so, what was your development experience like? > For one exotic datapoint: I do use Emacs as an editor (almost exclusively= ) > but never got the hang of Geiser. So I'm happy as a clam with Guile's > REPL in a plain & simple terminal. I also use emacs but not geiser.=C2=A0 And I only use emacs because of the = auto-indentation and tab-to-indent. I've often used VSCode for other things, but, I never got indent of scheme = to be identical to emacs. I once tried to write a graphical debugger in Gtk for Guile, but, gave up. Like often happens, a fun idea ended up being real work. Regards, Mike Gran