From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Todor_Kondi=C4=87?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 06:10:45 +0000 Message-ID: <-IsD5PBFie-kW2VJSYNHx00LodtSHflKNWtY2vjNVQDN126iTMsqHrdxl8zeWE8a53TzM_27wskjsrylIh4bN5jIGVNYOBC6zmE3p1RGyBg=@protonmail.com> Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Todor_Kondi=C4=87?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="67086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: "guile-user@gnu.org" To: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 20 08:11:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iM4R0-000HLK-5q for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 08:11:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iM4Qz-0007zM-1X for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:11:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iM4Qd-0007yx-LR for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:11:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iM4Qc-0005Ig-6K for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:10:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.27]:28647) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iM4Qb-0005FT-Lc for guile-user@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:10:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=default; t=1571551850; bh=BEnkSOTV7X+ypP7dmn1dOYNFgj7FndfGmwENcs8BqIU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Feedback-ID:From; b=TgFnJXUPzSZ59DIZTafITRVQJQGTtjIskpSMymBgcX5y3SfDW3q1LikSJa2Rk50bh ynlQxakg1MAULUY1GcJrcS0DSJDc0Etuz9QGcVsGHMpqy1IwsCsKF51XJXvRVV/Ufi HcI0u40F+qJV7DtybwjDtE/zlaaxTwWZeK7E0Gyc= Feedback-ID: H-HDHPDhHGpnHYYqEeeELdj-Ly2a7MuykpUWpBFgfQ1BCJpPfO2vKz9YpJUb7-VnGIEXLb5c-uxqytN6PxXV2Q==:Ext:ProtonMail X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.70.40.27 X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-user" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:15774 Archived-At: On Friday, 18 October 2019 17:09, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:29:35AM +0000, Todor Kondi=C4=87 wrote: > > > You know, there is a big IT department within our institution and telli= ng them I will base some serious work on technologies such as GNU Guile and= Guix did raise a few eyebrows (those not raised are probably the cause of = their proprietors not being informed enough). > > [=E2=80=A6] > > Couple of notes: > > > > 1. Are there any ladies on these lists? I am dying to hear from them > > 2. Related to (1) ... a brief look at the maintainers who signed the J= oined Statement gives an impression that it leans heavily to the politicall= y Western hemisphere; just a comment, maybe food for thought > > 3. The RMS scandal was brought to my attention by a female coder colle= ague who previously knew nothing of RMS's, or FSF's or GNU's work in the "O= pen Source Community"; another nibble for thought > > There have been few contributions from women, > e.g. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2017-03/msg00042.html > (I do not know what its status is), but I believe bringing GNU Guile > to professional use could help diversify. Thank you for that! > > Regards, > Florian Hi Florian, Thanks for the kind words. The problem of diversification goes way beyond the eccentric, or repugnant = (choose at your leasure) views of certain prominent members of our "communi= ty". I've set up my workflows around Guix, git(lab) and a customised Emacs insta= llation (instead of R Studio). My small team of science students (majority = female, various cultural backgrounds), never previously exposed to a GNU sy= stem to such an extent, managed to get a handle on it quite impressively. But, I doubt any of them would find it natural to take a step further and p= articipate in GNU itself (ugh, now I sound like a preacher of a new age rel= igion). To my knowledge, interaction within GNU communities is still mostly= mailing lists and IRC. This _not_ my students' natural digital habitat. I = am probably not saying anything new, though ...