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From: Mikael Djurfeldt <mdj@kvast.blakulla.net>
Cc: djurfeldt@nada.kth.se,
	 Dirk Herrmann <dirk@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>,
	guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: goops and memoization
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:08:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xy7lm3m2yz2.fsf@linnaeus.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m33cpu8oub.fsf@laruns.ossau.uklinux.net> (Neil Jerram's message of "21 Nov 2002 23:50:20 +0000")

Neil Jerram <neil@ossau.uklinux.net> writes:

>>>>>> "Mikael" == Mikael Djurfeldt <mdj@kvast.blakulla.net> writes:
>
>     Mikael> (An alternative solution is to implement compile-method in
>     Mikael> C, memoizing the source code while walking through it.  In
>     Mikael> fact, that could mean that we don't need to call
>     Mikael> procedure-source => no need to unmemoize code.)
>
> A further possibility occurs to me - transforming the method
> definition at define-method time something like this:
>
> (define-macro (make-method gf specializers formals . body)
>   `(letrec ((m (lambda ,formals
>                  (define (next-method)
>                    (call-next-method ,gf
>                                      ,specializers
>                                      m
>                                      ,@formals))
>                  ,@body)))
>      m))
>
> Given the gf and specializers, call-next-method works out a list of
> applicable methods (probably cached) in the same way as for a normal
> gf application, then it looks through this list for m and applies the
> method after m to the supplied arguments (formals).
>
> Would this kind of approach work?

It would "work", but gee...  then you are talking about a totally
different speed regime than what holds now.

Are you saying that you'd want to compute the list of applicable
methods at every call to (next-method)?  That way overhead per call
would become O(NM) where N is the number of applicable methods and M
the maximum length of argument lists.

Well, then I'd start avoiding to use next-method in certain code, and
I'd really hate that.

Call me a speed maniac, but I want to be able to write my programs in
a form that is similar to how I think of the problem without worrying
that it would be too slow.  Basic language mechanisms *must* be
efficient.  You may say (well, *you*, Neil, wouldn't) that "well, then
you shouldn't use scheme", but my point is that I'd like to use these
nice ways of expressing programs in as great extent as possible.

[For those who still think I'm being silly: My programs currently run
for *days* just analyzing one data set...]

Mikael


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  reply	other threads:[~2002-11-22  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-16 13:41 goops and memoization Dirk Herrmann
2002-11-17 10:56 ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-20 18:11   ` Dirk Herrmann
2002-11-21  3:11     ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-21  3:28       ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-21 23:50         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-22  1:08           ` Mikael Djurfeldt [this message]
2002-11-22  1:13             ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-24  9:41               ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-24 16:32                 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-21 20:31       ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-22  0:49         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-11-29 22:48       ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-29 23:31         ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-21 20:36     ` Neil Jerram
2002-11-24 16:42       ` Dirk Herrmann
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.05.10212011757340.18607-100000@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>
2002-12-01 18:00 ` Neil Jerram
2002-12-02  8:45 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-02  9:14   ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-03  0:13   ` Lynn Winebarger
2002-12-03  7:59     ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-03  8:38       ` Tom Lord
2002-12-04  2:25         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-04  2:49           ` Tom Lord
2002-12-03 17:17       ` Lynn Winebarger
2002-12-04  2:41         ` Mikael Djurfeldt
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.05.10212021650410.21423-100000@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>
2002-12-04  1:53 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2002-12-04  2:38   ` Tom Lord
2002-12-04  2:56   ` Rob Browning
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.05.10212021836430.21423-100000@sallust.ida.ing.tu-bs.de>
2002-12-04  2:19 ` Mikael Djurfeldt

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