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As Jean said, you (and/or Ludovic) should not have published the petition = under gnu=2Eorg in the first place, to quote Jean [1]: To publish his political opinions where Ludovic Court=C3=A8s is defaming a= nd harassing Richard Stallman on his own domain is disgraceful and shameful= activity! That would be like me to kick my own mother in her stomach=2E End quote=2E Every family has their own weaknesses, but experiencing how broken one's f= amily is not an excuse to kick one's own parents from the house that the pa= rents have built with their own hands=2E If one no longer wishes to live w= ith their own parents, they definitely are free to leave their own parents = and go out of their parents' houses=2E Therefore, I implore you to take down https://guix=2Egnu=2Eorg/blog/2019/j= oint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ from a subdomain of gnu=2Eorg, hand over= the maintenance of the GNU Guix project to Mark, resign from the GNU Guix = project (leave your parent and go out of your parent's house), and set up y= our own site and repository to fork the GNU Guix project (build your own ho= use now with your own hands, which is the right and fair thing to do instea= d of kicking your own parent out from their own house)=2E Lastly, I implore you to ask those who have signed https://guix=2Egnu=2Eor= g/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ to follow suit=2E For exam= ple, those GCC folks can definitely have the money of their own organizatio= ns jointly to fork GCC, no? If not, then they should remove their signatur= e from that joint statement, unless you have moved that statement out from = under the gnu=2Eorg=2E Fair, isn't it? Thank you=2E [1] https://gnu=2Esupport/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-ac= cusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org=2Ehtml -- Best regards, Tadeus