From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Wingo Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel,gmane.lisp.guile.user Subject: Re: Reconsideration of MinGW work Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:10:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87fx3tjt3r.fsf@ossau.uklinux.net> <11640D11-A8D6-4C58-86FA-EF79F4D60770@raeburn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269288624 12100 80.91.229.12 (22 Mar 2010 20:10:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Guile User List , Guile Development , Neil Jerram To: Ken Raeburn Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 21:10:19 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ntnx4-0002mk-RK for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:10:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56125 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ntnx4-00065G-9G for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:10:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ntnvd-0005PG-TJ for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35552 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ntnvc-0005OQ-6G for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ntnva-0004Bk-AZ for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:47 -0400 Original-Received: from a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com ([208.72.237.25]:56576 helo=sasl.smtp.pobox.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ntnva-0004BU-6L; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:46 -0400 Original-Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5414A4A60; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=WHkoeaiojkT3avbJYRX+yV8NHUs=; b=RlitKd GLVzU322B9v9uI3e+1yROb5YA2VhdzSWfKerpvVlqfuufcHywhSOLTiPmD548Z0k nFq5/87M1+Z8+2LuVnwWqc9X1CRbBBxeQm/tHYk9Bf3ecIpil3fRqLtiv+N+OYdP GdqtB/EzVmjtASJgdvKBgHWcbMIJ7Eq7lwk9A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=LWtpUDX2RPl57JMz+sYb3ekhg8foYxkF PXsetnsY8ZiWBNJVkqHiqCLAaxJ8aUWaPrVHjVUkSqnDZhdSYAubVSBsdF8ovyGl jLGFU3WSyXki+HbKhvjXImsqR8g3BSaD2JhRHC+VIVALtEBeaYsirauhd5cBCi5D f72kurxCBYE= Original-Received: from a-pb-sasl-quonix. (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D590A4A5D; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from unquote (unknown [88.17.131.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FDDCA4A5A; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:08:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <11640D11-A8D6-4C58-86FA-EF79F4D60770@raeburn.org> (Ken Raeburn's message of "Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:28:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: B62B9D8A-35EE-11DF-A4B3-D033EE7EF46B-02397024!a-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:10069 gmane.lisp.guile.user:7705 Archived-At: Hi! On Mon 22 Mar 2010 02:28, Ken Raeburn writes: > I think cross-compilation and cross-testing is a good thing to be able > to do. Totally agreed. I'd like to start compiling Guile for ARM devices now. > Perhaps having build farms available with multiple platform types can > help there. There has been the Debian build farms (and will be once 2.0 is out): http://packages.debian.org/sid/guile-1.8 There are the nixos builders, which track git, and build on linux, fbsd, and darwin: http://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/gnu/guile-master > One nagging concern I've got about my Guile-Emacs project is the > seemingly narrow focus of active Guile developers as far as platforms > are concerned. I'm one of, what, two or three people testing the > development versions on Mac OS X now and then, and most of the rest of > the work is on x86 or x86-64 GNU/Linux systems, it seems? So, point taken, sorta; but there are the builders above, I support mac installations of Guile as well (intel 10.4 and 10.5 right now), Ludovic regularly builds on sparc systems, and there are only about 6 active committers anyway! > But Emacs works on a lot more systems (including MinGW, for people who > don't want all of Cygwin), and saying "hey, we can change Emacs to be > Guile-based on x86 GNU/Linux systems; too bad about all the other > platforms" wouldn't go over terribly well. > > For a random Scheme implementation, it's okay to pick the set of > platforms you want to support, and drop whatever's inconvenient. But if > you want to be the official extension language for the GNU project, used > by (theoretically) lots of GNU packages, you've got to support all the > platforms the developers of those platforms want to support, if you > possibly can. I think that includes both Cygwin and MinGW, and probably > not just supporting whatever subset can be mapped into POSIX functions > via Gnulib. We can probably punt on VMS, though.... Heh, regarding VMS :) Seriously though, I think we should drive the gnulib approach as far as it can go, and only then make concessions in the areas where a gnulib solution is inappropriate. Cheers, Andy -- http://wingolog.org/