From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andy Wingo Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Scheme Implementers Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:33:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87bp2za0tr.fsf@gnu.org> <4932388F-7850-4937-B424-B4EA68AF5278@telia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1296412130 4109 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2011 18:28:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , guile-devel@gnu.org To: Noah Lavine Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 30 19:28:46 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pjc0u-0006Z8-Pq for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:28:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pjc0u-0005iU-An for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:28:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54938 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pjc0q-0005i9-EZ for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:28:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pjc0p-0005PF-8g for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:28:36 -0500 Original-Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com ([64.74.157.62]:50557 helo=sasl.smtp.pobox.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pjc0o-0005P8-W1; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:28:35 -0500 Original-Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591633084; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:29:25 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=L7ZIXX0w1Cdb2YjQ/EzNfEH67w4=; b=sniCGE RTAMXhkip/stwUyopSLaxriRbNIJgZrR2BVYO239vshbKLRtNaevqxLBCQYQcn3n WFgCQB+79W12IpMwaTfB0ddgMYRqzQLqiEsaJJzCiMlqwheY0D6Y/dCM1Ooa40+p tdexl0yZwSiiJllWUyAMkmx469cvQo9aQOM2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=Q8YExuvbQC2w6N3Yjv9Lom1yGzqwH4jV mNnF5fsYOCQdTg3qg2ZSQswyuNQkGMGDEvESHabzVUKES3TpXl8GZSFHntKo8QLM QQsgET9zNd/zm2D5PlHmYqtc4I3E+d08//w4u0uBVj59bbG7TiHplRaVZVAJF07Q B82EW1yCkEk= Original-Received: from a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216D63082; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:29:22 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from unquote.localdomain (unknown [90.164.198.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E931F307F; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:29:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Noah Lavine's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:08:37 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: DB8BE8F8-2C9E-11E0-8699-BC4EF3E828EC-02397024!a-pb-sasl-sd.pobox.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 64.74.157.62 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:11437 Archived-At: Hi Noah, On Sun 30 Jan 2011 17:08, Noah Lavine writes: > My question is, what should I do to let other Scheme variants know > this is happening and get them involved? C.L.S, currently. It could be that there is a need for another forum, but I don't know. What tends to happen is that people that want to do this consider themselves Scheme programmers, first and foremost, and who do not identify themselves with one Scheme system; so they release their code on their own site, with info on using it with various systems, and send mails to the various implementation user lists. But it's rare for an implementer to be in this category. People who have the luxury of an implementation, if it's big enough, don't appear to _need_ standardization so much, so they don't work on it. > I could just post on a bunch of development mailing lists, but it > seemed like it would be better to have one list that handled that > (although maybe not). Scheme is fairly polychromatic right now, culturally. You might find it useful to interact with the various lists individually, and then come back and work on this. Otherwise you won't really know where people are coming from. For example, if you are interested in cooperation with Racket, the (very smart and experienced) Racket people will tell you their view of the world straight-up on their mailing lists, but are probably tired of getting into arguments with other worldviews on more general fora. Likewise you'd need something in R6RS for R6RS schemes. Et cetera. I don't mean to discourage more inter-Scheme cooperation. I like Scheme folks and Scheme implementations. I even like Racket :) I just mean to say that it's not just space, or lack thereof, that is a barrier to cooperation, it's culture. Successful cooperation is diplomacy, in the best sense of the word. Regards, Andy -- http://wingolog.org/