From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Han-Wen Nienhuys Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Avoid `SCM_VALIDATE_LIST ()' Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:43:46 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87hc90u9lb.fsf@gnu.org> <49dd78620809011409w8902d24q5734da921d6dfbff@mail.gmail.com> <87bpz7h72h.fsf@gnu.org> <66e540fe0809061611m12f14e8lea685871c7f1e8cd@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: hanwen@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220755542 28561 80.91.229.12 (7 Sep 2008 02:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 02:45:42 +0000 (UTC) To: guile-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 07 04:46:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KcAII-0005qt-Th for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:46:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50574 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcAHJ-0003CV-6f for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:45:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KcAHG-0003CO-IS for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KcAHD-0003By-3k for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50360 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KcAHC-0003Bv-VA for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:45:22 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:52452 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KcAHC-00031W-I4 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:45:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KcAH6-0004vz-N0 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:45:16 +0000 Original-Received: from 201.80.3.52 ([201.80.3.52]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:45:16 +0000 Original-Received: from hanwen by 201.80.3.52 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:45:16 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 201.80.3.52 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080723) In-Reply-To: <66e540fe0809061611m12f14e8lea685871c7f1e8cd@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:7603 Archived-At: Mikael Djurfeldt escreveu: >> Yes, that's what I meant by "happily traverse circular lists". :-) > Having been part of Guile development for some time, it's sad to see > how much work is put into changing code back and forth due to > vacillating development goals. It's apparent how important it is to > have a written development policy with design decisions and > motivations. Probably a lot of that should also be put directly into > the code in the form of comments. +1 I am participating in GUILE since it is a foundation of LilyPond. As far as I am concerned, it should be fast, bug-free, standards-compliant and should not have any code that is so complex that it will bitrot when its developer takes off. That is why I am bothered by the half-working elisp support: my impression is that is not really used, so once Neil stops doing his job, GUILE will be left with a bunch of weird code that noone knows how to deal with. All this also makes me wonder why there are no Gnucash developers here, since I recall they actually do use GUILE for a lot of stuff. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanwen@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen