From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_Felipe_L=C3=B3pez_Acevedo?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: New logo and website design proposal Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <12940f8a9be1fde49c9e9700480893a3@openmailbox.org> <87fv2fbbav.fsf@dustycloud.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442363963 29112 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2015 00:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Allan Webber Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 02:39:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc0kb-0004ll-AP for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:39:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46588 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc0ka-0003Ev-LD for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc0kT-0003DT-H9 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc0kQ-0002Ut-A0 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:38:57 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp10.openmailbox.org ([62.4.1.44]:40454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc0kP-0002UV-V4 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:38:54 -0400 Original-Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 126B62AC11F3; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:38:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1442363932; bh=DtzOrkkXSlZ3lRgb9CDr1P3hdtfhDxsndbQJUtl/mfs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=nFvqg7+xFXcoR6gzTcDMuBG6xdcO+NIkcw2GqMbw5VKesPY9vvt+2NT78U+a3hKYR b8Y312TScSal+8kKlIcpICj8ojuU7FFFIIDX+d7tqR2bP6SM2SovdTfV7LdGmMAjnD 4yiXRBkNf2jw+kcTkCtBE4sh2xVBUmQ+yb67s6BU= Original-Received: from www.openmailbox.org (openmailbox-b1 [10.91.69.218]) by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECD32AC139C; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:38:40 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mail2.openmailbox.org; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=fail (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral In-Reply-To: <87fv2fbbav.fsf@dustycloud.org> X-Sender: felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 62.4.1.44 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17831 Archived-At: On 2015-09-15 16:31, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo writes: >=20 >> Hello list, >>=20 >> As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these=20 >> visual >> modifications for the logo and the website. >>=20 >> Logo >> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-= 2015-06-16.png >>=20 >> Website mockup (some rough sketches here) >> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-= 09-15.png >>=20 >> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image=20 >> of >> the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users. >>=20 >>=20 >> Your comments are very welcomed, >=20 > First of all, I think this looks *amazing*! Will it keep these kind of > nice black and white drawings, or will the final result have a more > refined look? Either way, I like the childrens' book type > illustrations. (My request would be that if they do become colored,=20 > the > two children-programmers whose bodies are somewhat visible have > different skin tones for diversity reasons. I think they look gender > ambiguous enough because of the suits.) Honestly I think the rough > black and white versions look very nice as-is though, and I am not sure > how to color them without a kind of watercolor look. Very "Where the > Wild Things Are" meets robots. A good combination! >=20 Ah, yes, the drawings are supposed to be just black and white.=20 Personally, I also like the rough drawings as they are right now, but I=20 will try to clean them or replace them if people don't like them. Also, diversity, of course... That and simplicity are the reasons for=20 using suits. > Second, a friend of mine pointed out a couple of things: >=20 > - The "Guile is an extension language platform" section gives the > impression maybe overly that it's an extension language far and=20 > above > being an independent language. Guile is certainly optimized for > this, especially for legacy reasons, but more and more Guile > applications seem to be written entirely within Guile itself. Maybe > the text could be something like: >=20 > "Guile contains a neat and highly optimized virtual machine. > It can be used out of the box to write programs in Scheme, or > can easily be integrated with C and C++ programs. >=20 > Guile is the GNU Ubiquitous Intelligent Language for Extensions, > and the official extension language of the GNU project." >=20 > That's a bit more verbose than the present text; I wonder if it can > be cleaned up? >=20 I'll let experts discuss this one. > - It may be nice to show code examples. Lisp is often interpreted as > being hard to read; I have found that a nice theme and > rainbow-parentheses has reduced that fear for some users. Here's > some examples of screenshots I have taken of my own emacs with > various lisps... none of them are perfect, and this isn't scheme > code, but to get the general idea: >=20 > http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_lisp_setup.png > ^- Probably could do without the highlighting? >=20 > http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs-rainbow-all-the-things.png > ^- Probably could do without the rainbow-delimeters? >=20 > http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png > ^- Something different, but also a nice theme >=20 > I'm not 100% confident on this; showing "real code" might actually > clutter things or make things more intimidating. The present > design I think is fairly intimidation-free. >=20 I was going to include a section with code, but didn't know what kind of=20 code to include. Something short, meaningful for beginners, and enough=20 to see the syntax... I don't know. However, I don't mind if the code is=20 saved for the manuals and tutorials. > Anyway, what do you think? >=20 > I love the designs... keep on rocking! I can't wait to see this > deployed! >=20 > - Chris Thank you very much, Cris. Glad you like them :) --=20 Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/